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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirtin Thunder View Post
    I am looking for a solid roller cam similar to the Comp Cams XM288H

    Adv. 288 304 @ .050 244 254 .580 .585

    With all my input into Cam Quest it is the #1 choice so I would like to try one and see if it gets me where I need to be.

    Here is what I got;

    BBF 429

    .030 (4.390), 3.59 crank, TRW 2366 Flat Tops, Mildly ported ex and cj entry C9 heads with 2.25 in, 1.75ex, the pistons are .007 in the hole and .038 head gaskets. I have a Victor 460 ported to cj specs and it is a Dom flang with a 2" 4150 adapter, with a 850dp sittin on top.

    I need this engine to spin a MPD Heritage A impeller to a min of 5600rpms.

    I have run the Comp XM 298, it was OK but not enough RPM. I installed the Comp 292H and it was better but not enough rpm eather. I barrowed a XR274R-10 and the mid range pull was real nice but it is not the ticked eather. So I want to try something else. I know this engine will turn the rpm desired. I want to stay with a solid roller.

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    is compression at 11-1 ? XR274 is pretty mild , what about a XR280-10 and possibly a 112 LCA if you want to carry the rpm . not a Ford "guru" but would a smaller port intake help a 429 make some torque . where's the cam " guru's " to help this guy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canuc View Post
    is compression at 11-1 ? XR274 is pretty mild , what about a XR280-10 and possibly a 112 LCA if you want to carry the rpm . not a Ford "guru" but would a smaller port intake help a 429 make some torque . where's the cam " guru's " to help this guy ?
    Ya try an tell 'em, but they just don't listen.

    Yes, smaller port intake would increase port velocity, create port mismatch, and posibly help block some reversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    Sorry, bud. Glidden and Shepard were running 8.40's and 8'50's in 1980 with small blocks. Yes, iron headed then (I think) but they were welded, cut, port plated, and had bigger ports than the 429CJ and turned 10Krpm. Not even close to comparable.

    I know...you're going to say someone did it before, just not at a Nat. event. Maybe, but not two years before. Sorry.
    No BUD. Im not going to waste your'e time or mine. In the late 70s and early 80s I was working for a company that allowed me to travel the race curcuit and show product and deliver product to the racers. I'm not going to waste time fighting over the first sub 8.0 pass. But dont insult, Please this is a help site not a ball check site. If I come off with a comment that you don't like then show alittle class and respond. If I come off to strong for anybody, it might directed to motor builders that should know this before someone needs to tell them. If it still is a problem then I don't know what to tell you. Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone View Post
    you said it I didnt.

    I'll say it again. No underwater hardware tuning is going to get his A impeller spinning the rpm he wants with his engine combo. I know what kind of power it takes to turn one of Jack's blueprinted impellers and Jim's got a pretty large impeller in his pump.
    Mike, I am worried that if I cut it down I will lose MPH. Right now the boat pulls hard for what it is, just not hard enough on the top end to keep up with the big 500+ ci boats. I know I am down CI from everyone else in the class. To move the same water that a MPD A does at 5600 I will have to turn it as a B to at least 5800. Then we start to run into other problems like if it will live heat after heat. Each heat race is about 6 miles so that is 24 miles a race. I don't want to get into building a new engine every race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol guy View Post
    For what its worth an iron 429-460 ford will make 700 h/p as long as the person building it has more brains than money. . M

    A Stout 460 maybe but not a 429 at least not at a reasonable rpm and it would take a shit load of money to do it.

    When I say reasonable I don't think you'll make 700 under the 5,700 that he would need to turn that impeller.

    Here's a little reading for my fellow Ford friends:

    http://460ford.com/viewtopic.php?t=2...ighlight=kaase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirtin Thunder View Post
    Mike, I am worried that if I cut it down I will lose MPH. Right now the boat pulls hard for what it is, just not hard enough on the top end to keep up with the big 500+ ci boats. I know I am down CI from everyone else in the class. To move the same water that a MPD A does at 5600 I will have to turn it as a B to at least 5800. Then we start to run into other problems like if it will live heat after heat. Each heat race is about 6 miles so that is 24 miles a race. I don't want to get into building a new engine every race.
    A properly built 429 shold turn 6000 rpm till the cows come home with minimal regular maintenance, but you're still going to have to make 600+hp at that rpm.
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    i got a ford that turns a A- at ss 6200 and it has a 429 in it






























    the blocks a 429 anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by 78CoLeBBF View Post
    i got a ford that turns a A- at ss 6200 and it has a 429 in it






























    the blocks a 429 anyway
    Hey Cole, Sorry the guys here say it can't be done. Although you do it and I have done it! M

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    mines acually a 514 with bt heads solid roller and some others im just messin but ive seen 429 in cars go like a mother prob like 600ish hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by 78CoLeBBF View Post
    mines acually a 514 with bt heads solid roller and some others im just messin but ive seen 429 in cars go like a mother prob like 600ish hp
    Mine was a std-std 429 SCJ w/dove-c heads solid cam in a 1980 southwind tunnel dragster. Berkeley 12jgr-a stainless. ran well for that day and proud of the fact I did it all myself. I would state rpm thru the lights but it can't be done. M

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    would have liked to see a old swtd with a ford
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol guy View Post
    Mine was a std-std 429 SCJ w/dove-c heads solid cam in a 1980 southwind tunnel dragster. Berkeley 12jgr-a stainless. ran well for that day and proud of the fact I did it all myself. I would state rpm thru the lights but it can't be done. M
    Correct me if I'm wrong but D0VE-C heads does not make a CJ/SCJ engine since CJ/SCJ used a D0OE-R heads, completly different castings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirtin Thunder View Post
    I need this engine to spin a MPD Heritage A impeller to a min of 5600rpms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ol guy View Post
    Mine was a std-std 429 SCJ w/dove-c heads solid cam in a 1980 southwind tunnel dragster. Berkeley 12jgr-a stainless. ran well for that day and proud of the fact I did it all myself. I would state rpm thru the lights but it can't be done. M
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    FYI, I can damn guarantee you your 1980 Bek stainless A was nothing like a MPD detailed impeller. I'll bet my ass on it.

    The MPD Legend "B" Stainless that is in my CP turns like it's an A+ or AA.

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    I sold a 428 Ford shortblock on eBay for a friend of mine. It came out of a boat that he had bought and the boat had 428 Super Cobra Jet painted/pinstripped in 3 different places. So I had to research the whole 428 CJ/428 SCJ, 428 PI/ 428 passenger car engine so I could determine to my potential buyers what the engine actually was. What a freakin joke Ford was. If they didn't have the correct set of rods on the shelf for the engine they were building Ford would use a different set to get the engine/vehicle delivered/sold. Same for pistons, cranks, blocks, etc... that is all fact which was documented (poorly) by Ford. If Ford was willing to put together a 428 SCJ engine together with a 428 passenger car block, CJ rods, and a PI crankshaft, why wouldn't they have also used different heads if the needed heads weren't on the shelf? In 1969 Ford used 6 different sets of rods in just the 428 SCJ engine.

    Sorry for the short thread jack Jim. Good luck.

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