Thread:

1,000 hp n/a pump gas???

yes it is a wonderful thread,i hope everyone can learn something from this,cheers

Originally Posted by hotbo

yes it is a wonderful thread,i hope everyone can learn something from this,cheers

Did YOU learn what you needed to from this thread??


RR

Originally Posted by RiverRacer

Only thing is that "Pro Stock Valve Job" will last about an hour cruising on the lake.

HUH?????

Originally Posted by x50plt

i have spent a lot of time on real dynos not magazine dynos, if you guys think because it is in print it true, what can i say. my 598's on 91 pump fuel with 1071 and 2 1150 dom made under 1100 with large solid roller cams and intercoolers at 9 psi 6500 rpm, real 1000 hp on pump no way with a v-8. im from the show me state if I see it on a honest dyno I will belive it. dyno # can be what ever the techs make them. adjust the bar pressure, all kinds of corrections.

ps, any body out there like me with 1000+ hp on pump gas please chime in.

I've spent a little time on "REAL" dyno's also. Our dyno cell's are about as "real" as any in the country (you may still be able to find a picture of them on the Superflo web site). My 598 fell a little short of the 1000hp mark (and only pulled it to 6300rpm), but it is well within reach. Maybe not for the average weekend builder, but to say it isn't possible???

Hopefully you have some good reasons, and not just because you haven't been able to do it.

Originally Posted by RiverRacer
Only thing is that "Pro Stock Valve Job" will last about an hour cruising on the lake.

Originally Posted by Warp Speed

HUH?????

This translates to "steep angle valve jobs(Pro Stock Valve Jobs) help peak flow at high lift, but aren't known for their longevity".

Definately NOT for someone who wants to enjoy their thousand horsepower engine without pulling the heads every 2 weekends.

RR

Originally Posted by hotbo

yeah its cool if you dont post your info,but dont give your crappy info, just dont post the comment



stay away if you have nothing positive to givethis is and can be a good learning tool for alot of us

Dude, why the hostility??? . We all come here to exchange info and learn.. In case you didn't notice, the thread had already migrated away from the topic of a 1000 HP pump gas motor.... All the info you need to make it happen was already posted, there was nothing more to add from a technical standpoint. If you have the ability and financial wherewithal, go for it, the info is there. That part of the thread had grown tedious, but the subsequent discussion regarding giving away info compared to buying/selling it was more interesting. That's the part of the discussion I was particpating in. Sorry if that offends you...

Originally Posted by RiverRacer

This translates to "steep angle valve jobs(Pro Stock Valve Jobs) help peak flow at high lift, but aren't known for their longevity".

Definately NOT for someone who wants to enjoy their thousand horsepower engine without pulling the heads every 2 weekends.

RR

Ya, 10-4 on that considering the unleaded fuel use we are discussing. It can be done, but the seat material and valve preperation needed is beyond the scope (and budget) of all but the top funded endurance race teams in the country.

Originally Posted by David 519

Dude, why the hostility??? . We all come here to exchange info and learn.. In case you didn't notice, the thread had already migrated away from the topic of a 1000 HP pump gas motor.... All the info you need to make it happen was already posted, there was nothing more to add from a technical standpoint. If you have the ability and financial wherewithal, go for it, the info is there. That part of the thread had grown tedious, but the subsequent discussion regarding giving away info compared to buying/selling it was more interesting. That's the part of the discussion I was particpating in. Sorry if that offends you...

wasnt aimed toward youcarry on i could care less the thread has been a good one for longer than i thought it would be.

Originally Posted by Warp Speed

Not a bad piece, but nothin' to beat your chest about!!!!
About 100lb/ft down.....everywere eh Sleeper CP?!?!?!

Nothing to beat your chest about???

Everyone is saying you need this and that and all this other big GM stuff..

Here is a oem block with nothing big about it.. 521 cui.. Single carb with Kaase 429 boss heads making 900hp.. No port work to the heads nor the intake... OUT of the box deal

Slap in A460 block 4.5 stroke 4.5 bore, port the heads and intake.. BANG 1,000 on pump gas.. All day long

Originally Posted by blown86hallet

Nothing to beat your chest about???

Everyone is saying you need this and that and all this other big GM stuff..

Here is a oem block with nothing big about it.. 521 cui.. Single carb with Kaase 429 boss heads making 900hp.. No port work to the heads nor the intake... OUT of the box deal

Slap in A460 block 4.5 stroke 4.5 bore, port the heads and intake.. BANG 1,000 on pump gas.. All day long

Warp seems to have a problem with anything Ford. Perhaps if he read the entire thread on the Kasse B-429 heads he might understand a little better although I believe it won't change his opinion of Ford but try to keep an open mind. The dyno mule Kasse used to do the initial testing is a plain-jane 460 short block. The objective of these heads is for good low and mid lift flow and not as much emphasis on peak flow numbers. The HP/torque produced is just the first dyno session on this head and manifold combination and with that taken into consideration it begs the question what the potential is with these new heads. Knowing Kasse and his abilitys 900 hp is just scratching the surface.

Originally Posted by Moneypit

It is amazing what you can do when someone says you can't do it. That said, this is a huge chunk of "mud pie", (Black Angus style) you're biting off......
You will eventually need the dyno, if not for tuning, then for verification of HP numbers. Very few builds are perfect right outa the box. Also remember dynos are different, as the Department of weights and measures does not monitor or calibrate them. Some of the numbers tossed around based on "pump" gas are way outa reach, IMO. Maybe someone can explain a "base number" and a "corrected number".......It took decades for the best engineers in the industry to reach the 1 for 1 horsepower to cubic inch ratio, now we're hearing about 2 for 1 and much, much more. To add to the mix throw in the shitty gas of today. I would really like to see how these dynos are calibrated, and when......Maybe take an engine to another dyno across town, change nothing, and see if the results are the same......Ray

PS, all the PS89 motors come out of my garage, never been on a dyno, (too expensive), and the cost of an afternoon on the dyno will damn near build another bottom end..........MP

i plan on using a dyno,why would i just guess????isnt that the point.

maybe you are in the old school of thought here but im positive the grand mark has been hit by more than 1-2 over a period of time.with todays tech. i personally think it is well within reach,damn sure not with production style componets off the shelf,but a good plan and some money it can be very much done.

you might have crappy fuel.so might i but we still have alot of 93 octane around here that smells like it did 10 years ago.oh well another hatter of the ideathanks for the good advice moneypitt.

last i remember there is not much ford or chevy left wehn you go real big.aftermarket crank,rods,block heads,blahhhh-blahhhh-blahhhjust that the dist. doenst move



well maybe after all these years i should do ford and with alittle over 500 inch i can get 1,000hp and with a 600 inch ford i can get 1500-plus