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    We currently have a Cole Flatty with a 522'' blown injected gas deal. It runs on 118 octane and you're either idling or full throttle. I assume the poor mid-range drive ability is because of the barrel valve. Well now we are looking at a 19'6'' Hallett v-drive with four seats and we would like to put some version of our motor in it.

    The current motor has a bowtie block with a chevy crank and aluminum rods. We also have a brand new 540 with a dart block, scat crank, scat rods and JE pistons. Both motors have large solid roller cams. We have a set of dart aluminum heads, and a set of brodix aluminum heads, and I think we would use which ever head would yield the lowest static compression. We have roller rockers with a stud girdle or jessel shaft mount rockers. Currently the motor is intercooled with a magnesium 1271, and our goal is to retain the intercooler and possibly trade the blower for a polished aluminum one. For ignition we have a MSD pro-mag or a vertex mag.

    So given the parts we have to work with what motor would you use? Our goal is a driveable pump gas motor that can cruise 20-30 miles and still run north of a 100 when we want to have a little fun. Can we use the mechanical enderle injection? How do you plum the fuel system when the boat has 2 saddle tanks?

    Sorry for the long post, but I know the experts on here can point us in the right direction.

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    A "cruiser" deserves a couple of carbs rather than an injector. That way you can skip all the plumbing, primer system for starting and all the jacking with it to make it all work.

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    I would use an efi converted stack injection. I did a Crower 2.9 unit about two years ago and didn't use it. It has new stacks and butterflies, EFI injectors for 800/850 HP, fuel rails, "Y" fittings and regulator, Aeromotive fuel pump and filter, a fake barrel valve that contains the TPS, injector bungs welded and blended into the base casting, Fast Technologies computer and all senders. I have decided to keep everything under the hatch, so I'm not gonna use it, been thinking of Evil-Bay. It is also plumbed for foggers, just below the injection bosses and underneath the bottom(hidden) too. TIMINATOR
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMINATOR View Post
    I would use an efi converted stack injection. I did a Crower 2.9 unit about two years ago and didn't use it. It has new stacks and butterflies, EFI injectors for 800/850 HP, fuel rails, "Y" fittings and regulator, Aeromotive fuel pump and filter, a fake barrel valve that contains the TPS, injector bungs welded and blended into the base casting, Fast Technologies computer and all senders. I have decided to keep everything under the hatch, so I'm not gonna use it, been thinking of Evil-Bay. It is also plumbed for foggers, just below the injection bosses and underneath the bottom(hidden) too. TIMINATOR
    Exactly. Don't go backwards to carbs. Go FOREWARD to electronic. Any of the setups today allow you to "tell it" what you want it to drive like. You can have any type of cruise response/driveability you want. Just tell it.
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    He's using a 12-71...so where did this stack fuel injection come from ? Both mechanical injection ?

    If going for lower cost I'd go carb'd. Many carb places can set you up.

    EFI will also work real well, of couse more expensive and you'll need to know how to tune it.
    2 throttle bodies, injectors, rails, bigger $$ pump, regulator, etc,etc,etc,etc and ECu of course.

    Which can you or a buddy tune better for and which is more within your budget ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfm View Post
    He's using a 12-71...so where did this stack fuel injection come from ? Both mechanical injection ?

    If going for lower cost I'd go carb'd. Many carb places can set you up.

    EFI will also work real well, of couse more expensive and you'll need to know how to tune it.
    2 throttle bodies, injectors, rails, bigger $$ pump, regulator, etc,etc,etc,etc and ECu of course.
    I really wanted to write something scathing here but I am just to worn out with this clown. The thread is ENDERLE HAT. Throttle bodies in place of an Enderle hat. Really? Complete with flame aresstors no less? If you hadn't had the colassal balls to trash them for the stack injection comment I would have just passed this by. But oh no. From the land of white gel coat deep vees with vinyl graphics no less. Figures. Damn good thing he wasn't looking for a set of v-drive gars, you'd have him installing a No 6 drive.LOL

    hey CFM, broaden your horizans. Out here we have some pretty cool stuff to replace an Enderle hat MFI with EFI. You just call them up, give them the engine specs and bolt it on. They are considerably better at it than User ever dreamed of being. They actually do it for a living and everything. You could call them "pros"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat48 View Post
    A "cruiser" deserves a couple of carbs rather than an injector. That way you can skip all the plumbing, primer system for starting and all the jacking with it to make it all work.
    Exactly!

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    I would use something tried and true, A nice carb setup with nitrous if you want a little"punch".

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    Quote Originally Posted by husqy510 View Post
    We currently have a Cole Flatty with a 522'' blown injected gas deal. It runs on 118 octane and you're either idling or full throttle. I assume the poor mid-range drive ability is because of the barrel valve. Well now we are looking at a 19'6'' Hallett v-drive with four seats and we would like to put some version of our motor in it.

    The current motor has a bowtie block with a chevy crank and aluminum rods. We also have a brand new 540 with a dart block, scat crank, scat rods and JE pistons. Both motors have large solid roller cams. We have a set of dart aluminum heads, and a set of brodix aluminum heads, and I think we would use which ever head would yield the lowest static compression. We have roller rockers with a stud girdle or jessel shaft mount rockers. Currently the motor is intercooled with a magnesium 1271, and our goal is to retain the intercooler and possibly trade the blower for a polished aluminum one. For ignition we have a MSD pro-mag or a vertex mag.

    So given the parts we have to work with what motor would you use? Our goal is a driveable pump gas motor that can cruise 20-30 miles and still run north of a 100 when we want to have a little fun. Can we use the mechanical enderle injection? How do you plum the fuel system when the boat has 2 saddle tanks?

    Sorry for the long post, but I know the experts on here can point us in the right direction.
    Quote Originally Posted by TIMINATOR View Post
    I would use an efi converted stack injection. I did a Crower 2.9 unit about two years ago and didn't use it. It has new stacks and butterflies, EFI injectors for 800/850 HP, fuel rails, "Y" fittings and regulator, Aeromotive fuel pump and filter, a fake barrel valve that contains the TPS, injector bungs welded and blended into the base casting, Fast Technologies computer and all senders. I have decided to keep everything under the hatch, so I'm not gonna use it, been thinking of Evil-Bay. It is also plumbed for foggers, just below the injection bosses and underneath the bottom(hidden) too. TIMINATOR
    There you go GN7. Read above in red.

    Thus my question. And yes it was a question since I felt possibly Timinator missed the 12-71 part. Thus why pointing it out by questioning it.
    MAybe you don't know this, but some of us don't go kicking everyone in the nuts everytime we type. Only people I kick in the nuts are the one's who do constantly do it. Timinator and thread starter never kicked me in the nuts so I'm engaging in a normal conversation with them.

    And yes, I know about that HAT EFi system. Edit in: This HAT EFI was not mentioned done edit: I feel a more typical dual throttle body and injection system would be better if going EFI. That's my opinion.
    Edit in: I also mentioned carbed if more on a budget. Either way, I don't think mechanical injection is the way to go for his wants/needs. Again, my opinion.

    As for you, why don't you take your agressions out on a punching bag or maybe get a blow job and relax a little bit.


    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    I really wanted to write something scathing here but I am just to worn out with this clown. The thread is ENDERLE HAT. Throttle bodies in place of an Enderle hat. Really? Complete with flame aresstors no less? If you hadn't had the colassal balls to trash them for the stack injection comment I would have just passed this by. But oh no. From the land of white gel coat deep vees with vinyl graphics no less. Figures. Damn good thing he wasn't looking for a set of v-drive gars, you'd have him installing a No 6 drive.LOL

    hey CFM, broaden your horizans. Out here we have some pretty cool stuff to replace an Enderle hat MFI with EFI. You just call them up, give them the engine specs and bolt it on. They are considerably better at it than User ever dreamed of being. They actually do it for a living and everything. You could call them "pros"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfm View Post
    There you go GN7. Read above in red.

    Thus my question. And yes it was a question since I felt possibly Timinator missed the 12-71 part. Thus why pointing it out by questioning it.
    And you evidently missed the THREAD TITLE!
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    As for you, why don't you take your agressions out on a punching bag or maybe get a blow job and relax a little bit.
    Are you kidding me? When I have you? Never!
    Of course, if I was looking for some abuse, I know where I could go hang out. Of course there they do most of their trashing AFTER they toss your ass of so you can't respond.

    does the pic look more like an Enderle hat than say.......I don't know, 2 throttle bodies and couple of flame arrestors. I believe the OP is going for a look that replicates another boat. the beauty of this set up is that you can almost tune it with an Iphone app. It needs 2 things. A tach feed and a throttle postion sensor. Assuming your boat doesn't go up hills, down hills, tow a trailer, or change altitude while your driving. Does your boat do any of those things?
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    He asked if he could stay mechanical injection.

    Did not mention the look.

    If he did, which he didn't, maybe you should trash all the other that suggested carburetors...which I did (suggested) also.

    Okay, enough of the muddying up this thread over your anguish and misreadings. And yes, I'll probably end up contacting you about your questions on the other thread, There's a lot of info you don't know about and alot of misconceptions you have because of that. Try to keep it away from this poor guys thread. I'll pM or call you or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    It needs 2 things. A tach feed and a throttle postion sensor.
    That would be Alpha-N. Yeh, I know.............................

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    maybe you should be the one working at Outerlimits for free
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    It's surprising how many guys are MORE concerned about, "how it looks" than, "how it runs"

    That's car show mentality.

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