IMIS Trade Show in Indianapolis

**wagspe208** · 12-09-2011, 07:56 PM

Well, my last road trip went so well I decided to drive to Indy and attend the IMIS trade show. It was in their convention center. Much more reasonable in size than the PRI. Still way to much stock car stuff.
Here is what I learned:

1) The Manton pushrod guys know some shit. I had no idea. I'm under pushrodded... as are most of us old school 3/8 guys. Great guys. Bad asses. Very willing to help with info/ tech stuff. I enjoyed talking with them and will do business with them in the future. Even for my little 750 open pressure piece.

2) The new Weld dually wheels are bad a$$. They come in 17 x 6.5 and 19.5 x ??. Did I mention they are awe$ome? Bitchin! New!

3) Cometic has a new head gasket out specifically for high cylinder pressure aplications. IE Nitrous/ blown. It has 4 layers instead of the standard 3 layers. The 4th adds a SS ring to help the seal around the bore. I will buy a set and toss them on. (No, I won't go back to the torch 6 or 8 cylinders tuneup LOL)

4) Goodson has a newer guide honing setup out. It is specifically for hard guides. Thick wall bronze, even chilled iron or WTF he said. Diamond style abrasive. I have used the sunnen stuff for years. The weak point with the sunnen hone has always been the mandrel. It is pretty easy to tweak if you use to much pressure. The goodson mandrels are much more beefy. No, I am not changing. BUT if I was looking for a system I may consider this over the sunnen. .

5) When the hot chic asks "Would you like me to sign a calendar for you?" The proper response is NOT "Nah, but I would not pass on a blow job if you are offering." (OK, this is a joke, but really... grown men standing in line to get some broad to sign a poster or calendar)

Wags

Oh, yes.. I left the weapons at home. Still scared. LOL

**gn7** · 12-09-2011, 08:09 PM

Wags, Steelcomp, (and me to a much lesser extent) have been preaching push rod diameter for years. And diameter is no excuse to ditch the wall thckness while go up in diameter!
the weight is almost neglegible, and the valve control/HP gains more than offset it. Manton has been touting this since the day they opened.

Now if companies like AFR and Dart would just wake up and realize the heads aren't built to except larger pushrods, and many rollers won't either, then maybe they would sell more large diameter PRs.

Cometic has had a similar gasket out called the Phusion for sometime now. But the price was insane. I guess they replaced the gas charged O ring with a SS ring. But really, FelPro has been doing the same with the HiPo composition gasket for some time. I had [retty good luck with them and they were nicer to my heads than the cometics. But I did reach their limit last year.
The Titan ICS have a chamber ring and I think its my next gasket. The cometics are just to rough on my heads.

**wagspe208** · 12-09-2011, 08:23 PM

Roger diameter. We had the conversation re pushord diameter that will work with heads. He said Darts probably could get a 7/16 in the exhaust, but would need a 7/16 to 3/8 taper for the intake. Just no room to work with.
Wags

**steelcomp** · 12-09-2011, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by wagspe208

Roger diameter. We had the conversation re pushord diameter that will work with heads. He said Darts probably could get a 7/16 in the exhaust, but would need a 7/16 to 3/8 taper for the intake. Just no room to work with.
Wags

Taper only when necessary. You'd be surprised at how many 7/16 x .090 wall pushrods are out there...

Many of my "suspicions" were confirmed this weekend at PRI talking to someone with a spintron.

Cross sectional area is far more important than wall thickness when it comes to strength and rigidity. I've come to the conclusion that I'll never recommend another 3/8 pushrod for anything with a solid roller.

Did you run into CStraub while you were there?

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 09:52 AM

Did not run into CSStraub. Did not know he was going to be there, so wasn't looking.. bummer.

Oh, other thing I learned is AFR OVERRATES their flow numbers. They are fake. ROFL

Wags

Oh, Manton did not think a straight 7/16 would fit in with the intake. Since I am ripping my crap apart this year for freshen up I will toss in a 7/16 chunk of alum rod or something and see if I can get it to clear. Manton said "If the lifter isn't following the camshaft, how does the valve know what to do?" And I folllowed with "and why would cam lobe design matter so much?" Makes sense. I just have to be dragged to the light sometimes. HAHA

**GROSERACING** · 12-10-2011, 04:15 PM

There is plenty of room on afr and dart for 7/16. We have built quite a few engines that way. You will have to do so grinding but it will fit.

**badnews** · 12-10-2011, 04:19 PM

Any pics of the new dually wheels??

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by badnews

Any pics of the new dually wheels??

How about a link?
Dually « Weld Racing

Wags

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 05:15 PM

Here is a Cometic link. It is the MLx that is their new gasket. It is to the catalog. Page 1 has a little info. Page 7 is where applictions start.
Wags
http://www.cometic.com/catalogs/AutoDomestic.pdf

**gn7** · 12-10-2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by GROSERACING

There is plenty of room on afr and dart for 7/16. We have built quite a few engines that way. You will have to do so grinding but it will fit.

Yes they will fit. Just saying that they manufacture the head as if 3/8 PR are the norm for roller deals. I think alot of people run 3/8 PRs because the 7/16 don't readly fit. Be nice if they would open them instead if us having to do it. Or at least make it an option like CNCing.

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 06:35 PM

Oh, Racing Electronics has a cool new helmet setup. Instead of the 2 wires running up (microphone and speakers and 2 plugs) they have a "titanium" cable with an end that contains 4 small wires. Pretty cool setup.
Well, could not find it on the website. It is called the "Racing Electronics Titanium Series" in car communication wiring. Keep an eye out for it. Less wiring is more IMO. They also have a flat PTT button instead of something that sticks out an inch.

And a cool video setup. Like the "gocam" or whatevewr it is, but have 1 in HD. Bitchin! They were on sale at the show. Pretty cheap.
Racing Electronics - #1 Source For Professional Race Communications - Online Store

Wags

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 06:38 PM

Oh, and there were some cool things I will apply to "my deal". Secret stuff. Not letting it out of the box. Any edge a guy can get is necessary.
Wags

**wagspe208** · 12-10-2011, 07:43 PM

Oh, PBM Performance and World Products have "worked together" on the new Merlin 3 block from PBM. It is a world casting. Machined here in the USA. The problems associated with poor QC are supposed to ber fixed. Mains straight, plug holes tapped deep enough, etc.
Dealer cost is about 1600 for nodular caps, arp studs, and 1800 ish for billet caps. (of course joe q can't buy em for that). I forgot to ask whos billet caps they were using. They come in small bore and big bore. Short and tall deck.
Wags

**gn7** · 12-10-2011, 08:53 PM

PBM as been selling Merlins as a "house" block for awhile. If you change the "model" to III whats different? Quality control?

I guess if you change the name they think everyone will forget your past issues. My memory tends to a weee bit better than that. Not the poroblems, but how they were handled is what sticks in my mined the most. Every one can screw up. Its how you handle the screw up that counts.

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