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    Just an FYI.
    I get the BoatsUS Seaworthy ezine and it has a good article regarding how bad E-15 fuel is.
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    About 25% down the page is this article.
    Last fall, the Department of Energy (DOE) released the results of its tests on the effects of E15 on marine engines—inboards, outboards, and I/Os. Without going into detail, all of the engines tested with E15 had problems, including severe damage to components, misfiring, and an increase in exhaust emissions. Two of the three outboards that were being tested conked out before the tests were completed. In contrast, the engines in an E0 control group did not exhibit any fuel-related issues. After reviewing the results, Margaret Podlich, the president of BoatUS, said that while the organization supports the effort to develop renewable fuels, the trend of using higher and higher levels of ethanol is clearly not the solution to America's energy problems.
    If not E15, then what? The answer may be butanol, which, like ethanol, is an alcohol that can be made from corn, beets, and various cellulosic raw materials— switchgrass, wood chips, or a host of other organic materials. Unlike ethanol, however, butanol is less corrosive, doesn't attract moisture, can be shipped through existing pipelines, and has a much higher energy value (110,000 Btu per gallon vs. 84,000 Btu for ethanol). In a recent test, an unmodified 1992 Buick, powered solely by 100-percent butanol, was driven coast to coast, averaging 26 mpg, which was a significant improvement over the 22 mpg that the car had been getting with E0 gasoline. Finally, in terms of flammability, butanol is similar to diesel fuel and would be far safer on a boat than gasoline or ethanol.
    The next and obvious question is, why aren't we all using butanol? Part of the answer has to do with how the stuff is—or was—made. Back in the 1980s when the government started looking into various biofuels, the cost to produce butanol was significantly higher than it was to produce ethanol. That cost advantage gave ethanol a 30-year head start in the race to become the nation's biofuel. In the last few years, however, improved technology has meant that the cost to produce a gallon of each fuel is roughly the same (although butanol is far cheaper to produce in terms of the amount of energy delivered per gallon).
    It's also possible that butanol may have some long-term effect on engines that has yet to be uncovered. (Remember, many years ago, everyone thought ethanol would solve the nation's energy problems.) There is also the not-too-insignificant reality of ethanol's financial and political momentum in the marketplace. But hope springs eternal; ethanol plants can be converted to make butanol, and if the stuff proves to be as promising as scientists believe it is, there may be good news down the road for anyone who owns a car or boat.
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    O darn. That can't be.

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    Where is the mention of E-85?

    Butanol is only 87 octane. It might be renewable and green but useless for anything even mildly performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infomaniac View Post
    Where is the mention of E-85?

    Butanol is only 87 octane. It might be renewable and green but useless for anything even mildly performance.
    don't you love it when the dimwits wants to compare issues of E10 and 15 with E85.

    Are you listening e85hater?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    don't you love it when the dimwits wants to compare issues of E10 and 15 with E85.

    Are you listening e85hater?
    The title of the thread should be E-15. E-85 was a typo. Sorry about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    don't you love it when the dimwits wants to compare issues of E10 and 15 with E85.<BR><BR>Are you listening e85hater?
    <BR><BR>The title of the thread should be E-15.&nbsp; E-85 was a typo.&nbsp; Sorry about that.

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    Screw it I am going to run methanol I am sick of getrdone and E85hater and all the rest of this its bullshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77GT View Post
    <BR><BR>The title of the thread should be E-15.&nbsp; E-85 was a typo.&nbsp; Sorry about that.
    No harm done. But there is a major difference between CHOSING to run E85 and having E15 shoved down you throat. There is problems when they try to push the envelope with the ethanol in a engine not tuned to handle it, as well as a fuel system.

    Its stuff like E15 that give dimwits the idea that E85 is some horrible evil fluid that should be banished. Its can be a god sent to those that know how to handle it. If you DON'T, or CAN'T, you should just stay away from the stuff, and shut your pie hole. Right e85hater?
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    I met a guy this weekend that owns a machine shop and claims he has the fastest hydro on the lake running E85. My hesitation to making the move over is...what do you do for refueling on lakes when nobody carries it??
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiMark Racing View Post
    I met a guy this weekend that owns a machine shop and claims he has the fastest hydro on the lake running E85. My hesitation to making the move over is...what do you do for refueling on lakes when nobody carries it??
    Load my 91 octane gas tune and swap the blower pulley and belt...quite simple really.....so sad for you carb guys.......

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    Also e10 and e15 isn't about renewable energy as much as offsetting the Price of oil. If gas was E0 it'd be at LEAST $1 more expensive for the same garbage 87 octane.

    Also I'd bet money the issues were tune related more than ethanol property related. The bias and propaganda is disgusting! The Misinformed informing the ignorant....perfect!....it's the American way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ap67et10 View Post
    Load my 91 octane gas tune and swap the blower pulley and belt...quite simple really.....so sad for you carb guys.......
    Why is that? I burn pump gas & would smoke ya in a race In my situation & the way things are today I wont mess with E-85. And I can burn 87 pump all day. Love the carb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ap67et10 View Post
    Also e10 and e15 isn't about renewable energy as much as offsetting the Price of oil. If gas was E0 it'd be at LEAST $1 more expensive for the same garbage 87 octane.

    Also I'd bet money the issues were tune related more than ethanol property related. The bias and propaganda is disgusting! The Misinformed informing the ignorant....perfect!....it's the American way.
    You weren't real good at math in school were you.
    Lets see, if gasoline with 10% ethanol is 3.00, some how in your magical world, replacing 10% of the gallon with gasoline would raise the price 33% to 4.00, not 3.30.
    Interesting.

    Lets not forget, ANY ethanol added to gasoline reduces fuel mailage. The more you add, the less milage. Its never, ever going to equal miles per dollar at the pump, so the idea that we are saving money with ethanol is total and complete bullshit. No matter what % they use.
    You are totally clueless why ethanol is added to gasoline. And it has NOTHING TO DO WITH COST, OR IMPORTING FORIEGN OIL. Before ethanol was ever added to gas they were using something else.
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    Hass I'm glad you like your carb!
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