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    So Im watching tv last night and scrolld across Green Planet TV (direct tv channel 286). They basically had this show on trashing the oil companies and car companies because they are not making electric cars anymore. GM, Ford and Toyota spent around a billion dollars each to market these cars and built a small amount of them a few years ago then leased them. When all the leases were up, they took the cars back without the giving the customers the option to buy. So now all of the ex-electric car drivers are pist and demanding the cars be availible to buy. Well quite honestly, the car companies own the cars, and always have and don;t have to sell them. So I think they should get over it!

    The Auto Makers claim that there is too small of a market to produce theses veichles. The big problem is that is costs them about the same to make the electric car compared to the fuel powered or hybrid car. However they can't charge enough for the car because if a consumer is going to buy a car thats going to do less than a fuel powered car, they want pay less. I agree.

    These electric car people claim that there is a huge demand for the cars, and could work for 90% of drivers in Amercia. I find that to be very very un true. Think about, the cars only have a range of about 60 miles before going dead. Well obviously that wouldnt even work for 10% of the people on these forums. Another thin I think they are forgetting is the fact that we would need more power plants to create the electricity to power these cars. Well these same enviornmentalists are against nuclear power so how the hell are they going to make this work without fighting with themselves.

    So when the car companies took back there electric cars, the crushed them. The people were pist because they wanted to buy them. Here's my thing: they own the cars, therefore they can do what ever they want with their property. Im guessing they knew that when these cars break down in the future the consumer would have no warranty, and have no means to get the cars repaired by the mfg as their certifed techs ae not trained to service or repair them. Im sure parts would be nearly impossible to find to.

    What I dont get is how these people can demand a product to be made in a capitalist country! If these people and celebrities think that they have a massive market for these cars, shouldnt they pull their resourses together and start an electric auto comany? You think they would have some big bucks behind them with the Hollywood support. Mel Gibson who was on the documentary (God Knows how much money he has) could be a great start to get this off the ground. Heck, If I felt I had an idea for a product that could make billions, Id find away to get started, not demand another company makes it and takes home the profits. Make sense?

    Again, I just don't see how a group of people feel the right to demand a product from a privatly owned company...well with the exception of GM. LOL! Its like someone walking into my real estate office and demanding that I sell them a home in Northern CA when I work in Southern CA, or hell even if they were to demand I make them a cheeseburger. I have the right to refuse my services to anyone I choose, especially if it would be non-profitable to me or it would require me to change my business model to suit them.

    Of course they had no debate on the show, just their own side and opinions, which Im sure other people who might have watched the show also may have fell into their ideas of the electric car, because they can't think for themselves or ask questions.

    I will agree that we have dirty air in LA, but look at all the progess our county has made in the last 5 years. Look at all the hybrids on the road. I don't like them, and would never buy one, but if people want to "do their part" then fine. Its a free country! You also have to factor that LA, even America is a small part of this planet. Global Warming has pretty much scientifically un-proven so what's their deal?

    I can't make any sense of these peoples demands? Can you? Are electric cars the wave of the future? Will the electric car suit the needs of 90% of Americans. Or do I just not get it?


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    The environmental impact for the batteries alone should be enough to turn off a tree-hugger... but they cherry-pick their causes as we all know. Eg: "global warming" to "climate change" you think people would be smart enought to see through it.

    I watched a Top Gear episode where they did an MPG test with an M3 and the Prius... Prius went balls out and M3 stayed behind it... the M3 got 2 MPG BETTER gas mileage... funny stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 454Rocket View Post
    The environmental impact for the batteries alone should be enough to turn off a tree-hugger... but they cherry-pick their causes as we all know. Eg: "global warming" to "climate change" you think people would be smart enought to see through it.

    I watched a Top Gear episode where they did an MPG test with an M3 and the Prius... Prius went balls out and M3 stayed behind it... the M3 got 2 MPG BETTER gas mileage... funny stuff.

    I think the electric car is a failed idea and we need to move on. Our Ameican and foriegn auto makers have made bige strides to emprove mpg and still are? Are they just not satisfied?

    I think our Auto Makers in the US are already ina huge pickle with the new law passed about 6 months ago to require them to bump their average mpg on lights trucks, suvs and cars from 25mpg to 35 mpg by 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbs View Post
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    Did you guys see this?

    "Tesla is now delivering the Roadster Sport, a shockingly high-performance sports car based on the world's leading all-electric, zero emmision vehicle. Price starts at $128,500 in the United States and €112,000 (excluding VAT) in Europe.

    *Price includes $7,500 US federal tax credit. *A customer approved for a 5-year financing term on a base Roadster could put down as little as $20,000 before taxes and net of the US federal tax credit. The monthly payment would be approximately $1,700 at a 5 percent annual percentage rate (APR). "



    A $7500 tax credit for buying one! Thats BS! If you choose to buy the product then fine. If the car works for your needs fine. Buying an electric car shouldnt give one more rights rights including tax credits and a carpool lane sticker on their car. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rIVERtRASH View Post
    I think the electric car is a failed idea and we need to move on. Our Ameican and foriegn auto makers have made bige strides to emprove mpg and still are? Are they just not satisfied?

    I think our Auto Makers in the US are already ina huge pickle with the new law passed about 6 months ago to require them to bump their average mpg on lights trucks, suvs and cars from 25mpg to 35 mpg by 2014.
    Not sure that I agree that the electric car is a "failed idea" As battery technology gets better, the better the chances of a viable electric car become. I wouldn't mind driving one to and from work, as long as I had something like my C6 to drive for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rIVERtRASH View Post
    I think the electric car is a failed idea and we need to move on. Our Ameican and foriegn auto makers have made bige strides to emprove mpg and still are? Are they just not satisfied?

    I think our Auto Makers in the US are already ina huge pickle with the new law passed about 6 months ago to require them to bump their average mpg on lights trucks, suvs and cars from 25mpg to 35 mpg by 2014.
    If the folks that rented the cars want one so bad let them invest their own $$$ and have one built... OR buy a Tesla...

    The tesla is a cool ride for sure BUT I wouldn't want to be in the drivers seat when the lithium batteries go into failure mode... I know that they have SOME safeguards built into the battery array but it won't prevent a BAD failure and the massive amps from causing a chain reaction and a very very bad fire... I'm sure that most of us have seen what 800 amps of 12vdc can do with regard to electrical fires... HECK alot of off roaders WELD with a few car batteries for quicky field repairs...

    There are plenty of folks out there experimenting with this stuff if THOSE folks wanna pay someone to build them one...

    I think it's cool but I like fire breathing big blocks too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Not sure that I agree that the electric car is a "failed idea" As battery technology gets better, the better the chances of a viable electric car become. I wouldn't mind driving one to and from work, as long as I had something like my C6 to drive for fun.

    Problem with Battery technology is that most of the patents for better batteries are owned by the Oil companies. They buy up every new technology that comes up. Not a conspiracy theory this is true. I forget the number but it like 80% of all battery tech patents are owned by Oil guys.

    The only reason Tesla made it through is that they used laptop batteries, I guess the oil companies didn't see that coming :-)

    BTW- I would buy the Tesla Sedan in a minute, very cool!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2manymustangs View Post
    If the folks that rented the cars want one so bad let them invest their own $$$ and have one built... OR buy a Tesla...

    The tesla is a cool ride for sure BUT I wouldn't want to be in the drivers seat when the lithium batteries go into failure mode... I know that they have SOME safeguards built into the battery array but it won't prevent a BAD failure and the massive amps from causing a chain reaction and a very very bad fire... I'm sure that most of us have seen what 800 amps of 12vdc can do with regard to electrical fires... HECK alot of off roaders WELD with a few car batteries for quicky field repairs...

    There are plenty of folks out there experimenting with this stuff if THOSE folks wanna pay someone to build them one...

    I think it's cool but I like fire breathing big blocks too...
    Agreed! Buid your own car, stop forcing your will and protesting against privatly owned comapnies. They owe you nothing.

    I wouldnt not feel safe in an electric for several reasons.


    And yes! there is nothing like a fire breathing big block!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat & Mice View Post
    Problem with Battery technology is that most of the patents for better batteries are owned by the Oil companies. They buy up every new technology that comes up. Not a conspiracy theory this is true. I forget the number but it like 80% of all battery tech patents are owned by Oil guys.

    The only reason Tesla made it through is that they used laptop batteries, I guess the oil companies didn't see that coming :-)

    BTW- I would buy the Tesla Sedan in a minute, very cool!!

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    If the electric car people wanted these cars so bad they should't have spent the last two decades bitcching and moaning but instead find a way to build them themselves! If what they beieve is true, they'd be rich by now!

    They had just as much oppurtunity to buy the battery patents just like the oil companies but didn't. There's a guy that invented some new type of battery about ten years ago, but sold it to the oil companies for millions. Now he's bitchen thats theres no electric cars. GO FIGURE!.. Sometimes the enviormentalists are their own worst enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rIVERtRASH View Post
    If the electric car people wanted these cars so bad they should't have spent the last two decades bitcching and moaning but instead find a way to build them themselves! If what they beieve is true, they'd be rich by now!

    They had just as much oppurtunity to buy the battery patents just like the oil companies but didn't. There's a guy that invented some new type of battery about ten years ago, but sold it to the oil companies for millions. Now he's bitchen thats theres no electric cars. GO FIGURE!.. Sometimes the enviormentalists are their own worst enemies.

    Totally agree!!

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    I like electric power. Maximum torque throughout its RPM range! Like everyone is saying, battery technology is the key.

    Here's my solution: Everyone should drive golf carts!

    This would work well in LA and other urban warm climate environments. You have to sign up and pay an fee to get access. Golf carts would be stationed through out the city. You drive to the edge of town and grab a cart. Drive it in town to where you have to go and just leave it (plugged in to a recharge station which could be just like a parking meter).

    If you have to go a longer distance and it starts to lose it charge just pull over and grab another cart!

    The other benefit would be less road rage. How can you get pissed off when you're driving a golf cart? Besides, with no doors or windows you would not be isolated and less likely to flip people off. They could have nerf bars on all sides so you could just bump into each other and not do any damage like big bumper cars!

    Just imagine the 405 or the 101 with nothing but golf carts. Everyone would be smiling and having a good time. Plus, it would be easier to make a freeway love connection!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiliPepperGarage View Post
    I like electric power. Maximum torque throughout its RPM range! Like everyone is saying, battery technology is the key.

    Here's my solution: Everyone should drive golf carts!

    This would work well in LA and other urban warm climate environments. You have to sign up and pay an fee to get access. Golf carts would be stationed through out the city. You drive to the edge of town and grab a cart. Drive it in town to where you have to go and just leave it (plugged in to a recharge station which could be just like a parking meter).

    If you have to go a longer distance and it starts to lose it charge just pull over and grab another cart!

    The other benefit would be less road rage. How can you get pissed off when you're driving a golf cart? Besides, with no doors or windows you would not be isolated and less likely to flip people off. They could have nerf bars on all sides so you could just bump into each other and not do any damage like big bumper cars!

    Just imagine the 405 or the 101 with nothing but golf carts. Everyone would be smiling and having a good time. Plus, it would be easier to make a freeway love connection!
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