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Any interest in a brand new 2010 elim daytona or cheyenne

There are already two people making 19 Daytona's, Bob and Greg. No offense Mouser, but I don't think we need a third. It's supply and demand. With the economy the way it is, a third is really just going to take away from Greg and none of us want to see that happen. He's building the best quality race daytona and deserves to keep his clientel for all his hard work in ensuring that his mold is true.

I will say because I went down a road when looking for someone to layup boats for me, be careful on the numbers people quote for laying up hulls, in the end they are going to have a hard time producing hulls for that price....unless you take it to Mexico. I personally don't want to get into a sub 400lb. Daytona hull that pablo threw together for $20 a week.

Good luck though, and keep finding those smoking deals. You keep our wives happy because we don't have a chance to come home with a boat we don't need.

Lets see the pics of the daytona mold your talking about. I`m curious because i was under the impression there where only 2 true original daytona molds. Is this the 19 cougar mold ?

Sounds interesting, Mike,for sure !!
I have, undergoing professional restoration, an original Daytona that was fully race prepped on the pump installation, bottom, and blueprinted by Tom Papp himself. It is a special and fitting memory of Tom and TPR.
One of the maybe 4 or 5 he did, and maybe the last of those....now it is no longer an original Daytona but a TPR custom using a original Daytona hull as a basis....if a splash of this hull or a mold was modified with these changes, it is not a Daytona but a new evolved design. (No, nobody is cutting up this boat !!) (Isn't that what Tom and a lot of others have done in the past, and are still doing ??)(Stealth, Cheyenne, etc, etc. etc.) Other than name, none of this stuff is patented, that I know of......
The original Daytona mold was destroyed in an accident, according to my information, so all are copies.....so no one can claim they have the original mold !!

I know there are lots of opinions, but isn't this called progress, advancement, the very history of racing, to take what has been done before and modify and improve upon it ?
I would suggest this is a niche and small market right now in these economic times.
The risk is all on the manufacturer, so why not ??


I, for one, would welcome great hulls of advanced design being made at a fair and competitive price, The market will ultimately determine if a product or idea is sound !! Let competition and free enterprise work !!
IMHO, Gordon.

Originally Posted by rotorrider

Sounds interesting, Mike,for sure !!
I have, undergoing professional restoration, an original Daytona that was fully race prepped on the pump installation, bottom, and blueprinted by Tom Papp himself. It is a special and fitting memory of Tom and TPR.
One of the maybe 4 or 5 he did, and maybe the last of those....now it is no longer an original Daytona but a TPR custom using a original Daytona hull as a basis....if a splash of this hull or a mold was modified with these changes, it is not a Daytona but a new evolved design. (No, nobody is cutting up this boat !!) (Isn't that what Tom and a lot of others have done in the past, and are still doing ??)(Stealth, Cheyenne, etc, etc. etc.) Other than name, none of this stuff is patented, that I know of......
The original Daytona mold was destroyed in an accident, according to my information, so all are copies.....so no one can claim they have the original mold !!

I know there are lots of opinions, but isn't this called progress, advancement, the very history of racing, to take what has been done before and modify and improve upon it ?
I would suggest this is a niche and small market right now in these economic times.
The risk is all on the manufacturer, so why not ??


I, for one, would welcome great hulls of advanced design being made at a fair and competitive price, The market will ultimately determine if a product or idea is sound !! Let competition and free enterprise work !!
IMHO, Gordon.

Now I may be wrong but I have been told by a few of the old timers that we have the original flat keel mold,
It now has a round keel that has been completely remodified and reshaped.

The molds that myself and Mike DeClark own are the oringinal molds that I raced out of starting in 1975 for Eliminator Boats. The center keel has been modified but I can tell you that the mold we started with was the original 19 molds. These molds were the same molds that were used to build the only fully composite boat that I am aware of . Tommy Phillips was a partner with Bob Leach at the time and we built a vaccum bagged 19 that weighed under 300 lbs. The boat was run and proved to be a bad idea hard to contol and the laminate schedule proved to come apart after use. No memory to the carbon fiber so after a few runs the boat started to have lamination problems. The only other boat that was weighted and had a certified weight was built for Ron Pitts and I beleive it weighted 318 lbs with a conventional fiberglass layup .Even the Gambler that we built for John Spyskma and was later sold to Joe Podwaski weighed 360 before the bottom work. All of the so called kevlar boats that are out there today are far from a 100% kevlar' the final cloth layup was kevlar and that was a kevlar layup. Generally most all of the Daytona's that came out of Eliminator for a race version were between 380 to 450 depending on which lamination crew built it and what day of the week it was. Monday boats were heavy and Friday boats were light.

If you are talking about the late Sonny Jones I beleive we built that boat for a customer out of Reno Nevada. I'm not quite sure how much bottom design was put into this boat without seeing some pictures. I'm not aware of any BFJ Daytona that ran that kind of speed other than Quarterflash which ran 150 one time to set the NJBA BFJ record. When this boat was sold it received a capasule and ran in the mid to high 40's. Are you sure that this boat was a BFJ or did run Blown gas jet. I worked with Sonny on a few jet boats but never a BFJ.

The releif's are inserts that are put in the mold before lamination is started.We laminate over them and then remove them from the hull once the boat has been pulled from the mold. To do releif's in a tunnel once the boat has been built is a big job but it can be done to a degree without pulling the intake .It really depends on what kind of speeds you want to acheive. There have been a couple of boats we did in degrees but eventually we had to pull the intake, reglass the keel, cut the releif's, reset the intake and re blend the bottom to the intake. A whole lot of work but the results were worth it!