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Alkywagon
02-22-2008, 05:18 PM
Pretty sad.

America’s Jewish Lobby holding back a Tide of Oil
Neo-Lefties using ‘Wars for Oil’ to cover up ‘Wars for the Jews’
By Bob Finch
The most vociferous supporters of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were the Jewish lobby in America and the Jews-only state in Palestine. Multinational oil corporations did not support these invasions. They strongly suspected these invasions were going to provoke resistance seriously impairing their chances of exploiting these countries’ oil resources/assets. After the first gulf war, Dick Cheney opposed the invasion of Iraq because he suspected such an invasion would be bad for the oil companies he represented. These invasions were thus ‘wars for the Jews’ designed to boost Jewish supremacism in the greater middle east rather than ‘wars for oil’.
Neo-lefties are so devoted to the Jews-only state they refuse to mention let alone criticize the ‘wars for the Jews’ thesis. The last thing they want to do is draw attention to the considerable geopolitical benefits these invasions have brought about for the Jews-only state. They are even more reluctant to give such a theory any credence because the western nations involved in these invasions have suffered so much politically, militarily, and economically. This makes it look as if these countries are sacrificing their national interests solely for the benefit of Jewish racists in the apartheid state. Neo-lefties could be defined as those who believe it is so imperative to depict these invasions as ‘wars for oil’ that it is not merely irrelevant to debate the ‘wars for the Jews’ thesis but politically dangerous to do so. Given that the left in the western world is so unwilling to mention, let alone criticize, this thesis it has to be suggested that most are neo-lefties.
The power of the Jews-only state in Palestine, and their allies in the western world, is so great they have succeeded in manipulating the west into supporting policies that are beneficial to the Jews-only but make it impossible for western energy companies to exploit the greater middle east’s oil. These Jewish canutes are holding back a tide of oil.
Zionists pressure American Administrations to ban Oil Investments in Iran
In 1995, the Jewish lobby in America successfully pressured the Clinton administration into stopping American oil corporations from investing in Iran’s massive fossil fuel industry. This represented a clear cut victory for the Jewish lobby over America’s gigantic oil companies. It revealed the Jewish lobby had become even more powerful than the oil lobby. The Bush regime supported these sanctions and have added to them.
Zionists pressured the Bush Regime into Invading Afghanistan
Afghanistan has very few fossil fuel resources. Certainly not enough to warrant an invasion to steal them. What it does have, however, is geostrategic value. The neo-lefties suggest that the Bush regime invaded Afghanistan in order to construct a pipeline which would pass from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan and India. In reality, however, America’s multi-national oil corporations knew that an invasion would cause such chaos it would make the construction of such pipeline impossible. Even if, after the invasion, such a pipeline had been built it would have been impossible to defend. America’s oil corporations would have had a much better chance of proceeding with this pipeline if they’d stopped the war and supported the taliban which could have ensured the social stability necessary for the construction of the pipeline.
The invasion of Afghanistan was a ‘war for the Jews’ because the Jews-only state in Palestine wanted an American military presence in the middle east. It believed that once the American military was stationed in the region it would be able to launch further wars in the region against countries which opposed the regional dominance of the Jews-only state.
Once again, America’s Jewish lobby succeeded in sacrificing the interests of America’s multinational oil corporations for the sake of boosting Jewish supremacism in the middle east.
Zionists pressured the Bush Regime into Invading Iraq
The above analysis of the invasion of Afghanistan also applies to America’s invasion of Iraq. The Jewish lobby was the primary influence pushing the Bush regime into the invasion of Iraq for the sake of promoting the security interests of the Jews-only state in Palestine. Multi-national energy corporations opposed the invasion because they knew such an invasion would trigger a resistance struggle that would cause so much chaos it would be impossible for them to exploit the country’s fossil fuel reserves. The Iraqi resistance movement has devastated the Iraqi oil industry to such an extent it produces far less oil now than it did when iraq was suffering from united nations’ sanctions in the 1990s. “According to various estimates, there have been over 600 incidents of pipeline attacks since the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003; some 60 attacks on refineries; and over 500 attacks on tanker trucks. Close to 650 Iraqi oil workers might have been killed or wounded or kidnapped. Iraq’s dual pipelines in the north heading toward Turkey were a major target of attack.” (M K Bhadrakumar ‘The door to Iraq’s oil opens’ […] (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JB16Ak05.html) February 16, 2008).
Just as was the case with the invasion of Afghanistan, the Jewish lobby pushed the bush mafia into the invasion of Iraq thereby sacrificing the interests of America’s multinational energy corporations. Nearly five years after the invasion, American oil corporations are still nowhere near to gaining any control over Iraq’s oil despite the Bush regime’s insistence that Iraqi leaders sign away their country’s oil to American energy corporations.
Zionists pressuring the Bush Regime into Invading Iran
The Jewish lobby in America pressured president Clinton into banning investments in Iran’s fossil fuel industry and has pressured the bush regime to attack Iran in order to boost Jewish supremacism in the middle east. The outcome of such an attack would be exactly the same as that which has occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq but on an even more catastrophic scale.
The only group in America supporting an attack on Iran, even though this will cause the country an even greater economic, political, and military, disaster than it has already suffered in Afghanistan and Iraq, is the Jewish lobby. No American multinational oil corporation is so irrational as to demand a ‘war for oil’ against iran given their total failures to benefit from america’s previous two invasions. The zionist dominated congress, the likudniks in the Bush regime, and the Zionist dominated media, are so dedicated to the Jews-only state in Palestine they don’t care how much America would suffer as a consequence of such an attack. Norman Podhoretz has outlined the scale of the disaster that would ensue from such a war and yet he nevertheless persists in traitorously demanding that Bush carries on regardless. “In the worst case of this latter scenario, Iran would retaliate by increasing the trouble it is already making for us in Iraq and by attacking Israel with missiles armed with non-nuclear warheads but possibly containing biological and/or chemical weapons. There would also be a vast increase in the price of oil, with catastrophic consequences for every economy in the world, very much including our own. And there would be a deafening outcry from one end of the earth to the other against the inescapable civilian casualties.” (Norman Podhoretz ‘Stopping Iran: Why the Case for Military Action Still Stands’ […] (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/printArticle.cfm/Stopping-Iran-br--Why-the-Case-for-Military--Action-Still-Stands-11085) January 29, 2008). This attitude is held by all the Zionists in the American political system and the American media. Podhoretz suggests that Iran would attack the Jews-only state with “biological and/or chemical weapons” but only a hysterical, warmongering, paranoid lunatic like Podhoretz would suggest that Iran would be insane enough to provoke the Jews into retaliating with nuclear weapons.
Zionists pressuring the Bush Regime into stopping Turkey from Investing in Iran’s Oil Industry
Despite the Bush regime’s desire to curb the world’s energy investments in Iran, Turkey has been investing heavily in Iran’s energy industry. “This includes Turkish plans to invest $3.5 billion in the Islamic Republic’s South Pars gas fields and to use Iran as a transit country for Turkmen natural gas. The US has said it opposes the plan and does not support any investment in Iran.” (‘Turkey, Iran to build power plant in Turkmenistan’ […] (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/498109-turkey-iran-to-built-power-plant-in-turkmenistan) August 21, 2007).
Zionists pressuring the Bush Regime into banning European Investments in Iran’s Oil Industry
The Jewish lobby in America has pressured the Bush mafia into deterring Europe’s multi-national fossil fuel corporations from investing in Iran.
Zionists pressuring the Bush Regime into forcing India to end its Oil Investments in Iran
The Jewish lobby in America has pressured the Bush mafia into deterring India from supporting the Iran-Pakistan-India oil pipeline, the so-called peace pipeline. “The US strongly opposes the Iran-India-Pakistan gas pipeline project, and has publicly warned India that it could face sanctions if it goes ahead with the deal, which is considered highly attractive for its energy economics.” (Praful Bidwai ‘India to Pay a Price For Launching Israeli Spy Satellite’ […] (http://www.antiwar.com/bidwai/?articleid=12324) February 07, 2008).
Conclusions
The Jewish lobby in America has pushed America, and its allies, into invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq which have reduced the flow of oil from, or through, these countries and thus helped to boost the global price of oil. The Jewish lobbies in America and the rest of the western world; the zionist extremists in the Bush mafia and other western regimes; and the Zionist dominated western media, are so powerful they have deterred America, Europe, and India, from exploiting Iran’s vast fossil fuel resources. They have forced these continents to sacrifice their national interests, the interests of their gigantic multinational fossil fuel corporations and fossil fuel consimers, for the sake of the Jews-only state in Palestine. In effect, they are holding back a tide of Iranian oil from flowing to three continents. As a consequence, increasing amounts of Iranian oil is now going to China. The power of the Jewish elites in the western world is transparent from their trashing of America’s and Europe’s multinational oil corporations. The neocons have occasionally hinted that America’s so–called war against terrorism is just a ploy to boost Jewish supremacism in the middle east but their left wing (and liberal) counterparts continually use the ‘wars for oil’ hypothesis to cover up these ‘wars for the Jews’. The neo-lefties/neo-liberals denounce ‘wars for oil’ but they are in effect helping to popularize such wars by drawing the public’s attention to Afghanistan’s/Iaq’s oil assets. The more they denounce ‘wars for oil’ the more the public is tempted to believe the theft of such a critical resource would be hugely beneficial to them.
For the last sixty years the Jews-only state has slaughtered Palestinians and provoked wars against neighbouring moslem states in order to promote Jewish colonialism. In the 1980s it became apparent to America’s Jewish neocons that it would be beneficial to get the west to fight on the Jews’ behalf against their enemies in the middle east. Why should the Jews-only state fight such wars when it could dupe America, and much of western Europe, into fighting on their behalf? The west’s invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were simply extensions of the Jews’ invasion of Palestine. The so-called ‘war against terrorism’ is just another front in the Jews’ war against Palestinians and their moslem allies. Jewish lobbies in the western world have pressured America and western Europe into promoting Jewish supremacism in the middle east even though this means decimating all moslem countries in the region.
Postscript: Bhadrakumar resurrects the ‘Wars for Oil’ Thesis
In a recent article, M.K. Bhadrakumar has given a new twist to the ‘wars for oil’ thesis. He starts off by arguing firstly, that the American oil industry suspects that Saudi Arabia’s oil reserves are not as substantial as they were once thought to be and, secondly, that most of the world’s oil resources are currently controlled by national governments. These two factors make Iraq’s oil reserves of increasing political importance to America. As America’s military surge has seemingly dampened violence in Iraq, America’s oil companies are now on the verge of getting a chance to exploit the country’s oil resources. The Bush regime has given up waiting for Iraqi legislators to pass a new oil law that would hand over control of their country’s oil to American companies but its alternative plan is to encourage Iraq’s oil minister to sell off the country’s oil reserves to American oil companies. However, the only way that such contracts could be upheld is if the American military remains in Iraq on a permanent basis. Thus, according to Bhadrakumar, “What becomes evident is that the Bush administration neither intends to cut and run from Iraq nor is it in search of an exit strategy. On the contrary, it is ensuring that Iraq remains under American control for as long as it takes for the US to evacuate the oil and gas out of that country. Bush sees this as his historical legacy.” (M K Bhadrakumar ‘The door to Iraq’s oil opens’ […] (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JB16Ak05.html) February 16, 2008).
It remains to be seen whether the Iraqi people will allow the Americans to remain in their country and steal their oil whilst they live, like Palestinians, in a state of abject destitution. But even if America succeeds in syphoning off the country’s oil all that this means is that the “war for oil” rationalization at long last gains parity with the “war for the Jews” rationalization. If the american military tries to remain in Iraq, and implements Bush’s legacy, this would benefit both the Jews-only state and America’s oil companies. However, it is highly unlikely that Iraqis will tolerate America’s long term occupation and the expropriation of their oil resources. And, as far as America is concerned, the military costs of its occupation will far be far greater than the oil revenues derived from the small amounts of oil that it might be able to expropriate.
This is not, however, the end of the story. There’s a twist in the tail. According to Bhadrakumar, if the American military remains in Iraq then it will seek to use the exploitation of Iraq’s vast fossil fuel resources to change the balance of power in the region. He believes America will try to use Iraq’s oil to consolidate political links between Turkey, the Jews-only state, and India, as a geopolitical counter to Russia, China, and Iran. “Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan, who visited Delhi recently, has reportedly proposed to his Indian counterpart the possibility of Turkey exporting oil from the Ceyhan port to Israel’s Ashkelon-Eilat pipeline and Indian super tankers sourcing oil from the Israeli port of Eilat in the Gulf of Aquba. A visit by Turkish President Abdullah Gul to India, followed by a visit by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is in the cards.” (M K Bhadrakumar ‘The door to Iraq’s oil opens’ […] (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JB16Ak05.html) February 16, 2008).
The most sensible way for Iraq to develop its oil/gas resources in conjunction with south Asia would be to build a pipeline through Iran then to India via Pakistan or Afghanistan. This would minimize the cost of transportation and thus maximize oil company profits and minimize costs to consumers. However, Bhadrakumar envisages the Bush regime will try to pump Iraq’s oil westwards to Turkey; then southwards to the Jews-only state; and then via supertankers out through the Red Sea eastwards to India. This strategy will achieve two objectives. Firstly, it will circumvent Iran and prevent Iran from obtaining any benefit from Iraq’s fossil fuels. Secondly, it will hugely benefit Turkey and the Jews-only state both financially and strategically. However, the consequence of this circuitous route is that Iraq and India will bear all the costs. The transportation costs of this route will be four or five times higher than the direct route from Iraq through iran to India. In other words, American oil companies in Iraq and Indian consumers will end up financing Turkey and the Jews-only state through the much higher than necessary price of Iraqi energy. America’s oil companies should be pressuring the Bush regime into supporting the construction of a pipeline from Iraq through Iran to India in order to maximize their profits. On the other hand, the Jewish lobby is pressuring the Bush regime into supporting circuitous detour around the middle east which will benefit the Jews-only state but only at the expense of the interests of America’s oil companies and Indian consumers. Is it possible this tiny country of only six million Jewish colonialists will be able to overpower America’s oil companies yet again? Not forgetting india’s hundreds of millions of oil consumers.

Read more Bob Finch at his blog The Mundi Club (http://themundiclub.blogspot.com/2008/02/americas-jewish-lobby-holding-back-tide.html)

AzMandella
02-22-2008, 05:41 PM
Well I guess we have to endure the local Jew hater again. Are we really going to have to see this rubbish.

redneckcharlie
02-22-2008, 06:11 PM
Maybe we'll get lucky and a moderator will step in and ban his sorry ass again! Good god, get a new target for your bs hate. Your as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning.

SmokinLowriderSS
02-22-2008, 06:16 PM
Well I guess we have to endure the local Jew hater again. Are we really going to have to see this rubbish.

Apparently. :mad:

Unbeknownst to me, i'm no longer a "Neo-Con", now I'm a "Neo LEFTIE", WFTEver that is supposed to be. :)sphss

Need I post the source site?

Try davidduke.com. There's some reliable "information" for ya. :)grn

Moneypit
02-22-2008, 06:26 PM
There is no place called Palestine. It doesn't exist...........When a movement invades another country, and LOSES, it LOSES....back to 1967, THEY LOST. How hard is that to understand. Blown, alky, what ever you're calling yourself these days, the "cut and paste" rules were directed at you, exactly at you, because of crap like this. Just because another member cuts and pastes an article is NOT A GREEN LIGHT for your stupid hate about jews to re surface. Get a real live, my friend, cause the one you continue to show here is not a real world life. To harbor that much hate in your mind, (loose term), is unhealthy and won't earn you a bunch of friends here. I gotta ask, do you have lighting bolts tattoed on your neck?..If you do, it's OK, just let us know where you're really coming from.................Truly hating very few, but critical of most, MP

Ultra26 # 1
02-22-2008, 06:52 PM
While I don't agree with Blown's position on the Jews, doesn't he have the right to express it?

With regard to the issue of cut and paste, the rules needs to clarified, as there is nothing stated in the rules about "cut and paste". I don't like the cut and paste BS either, but it's been going on here without issue.

redneckcharlie
02-22-2008, 07:00 PM
While I don't agree with Blown's position on the Jews, doesn't he have the right to express it?

With regard to the issue of cut and paste, the rules needs to clarified, IMO.

You are absolutely correct about expressing an opinion John. But, when is that ever really done? This sort of thing is nothing more than searching for a particular response. Much like me walking into a room and screaming fire. Constantly exhibiting a behavior that is nothing more than antagonistic is completely counterproductive in a forum such as this. Not everyone is ever going to agree, but the vast majority here(I believe) like discussing the different issues and getting different perspectives. Peace.

Quickjet
02-23-2008, 12:24 AM
Sounds to me like the Zionist Jews are right on target........:)devil
Maybe we should listen to them more often.

SmokinLowriderSS
02-23-2008, 01:00 AM
While I don't agree with Blown's position on the Jews, doesn't he have the right to express it?

If some a##-clown has the right to EXPRESS a view, does the same clown also have the right to HAVE IT ACCEPTED, or do others have the right to REJECT IT?

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 07:29 AM
You are absolutely correct about expressing an opinion John. But, when is that ever really done? This sort of thing is nothing more than searching for a particular response. Much like me walking into a room and screaming fire. Constantly exhibiting a behavior that is nothing more than antagonistic is completely counterproductive in a forum such as this. Not everyone is ever going to agree, but the vast majority here(I believe) like discussing the different issues and getting different perspectives. Peace.

Alky (Blown) has called BS on two or three of Steve's cut and paste posts with no response from a mod. I have looked at the rules, and there is no mention that cut and paste is not allowed. I think Blown knows that nobody agrees with the stuff that is contained in his cut and paste. IMO, he was trying to draw a mod's attention to the entire cut and paste issue. I could be wrong.


If some a##-clown has the right to EXPRESS a view, does the same clown also have the right to HAVE IT ACCEPTED, or do others have the right to REJECT IT?

Aaron,

Please read my post again. I started by saying "while I don't agree with Blown's position" Clearly I don't accept it so why the question to me?

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 07:43 AM
Alky (Blown) has called BS on two or three of Steve's cut and paste posts with no response from a mod. I have looked at the rules, and there is no mention that cut and paste is not allowed. I think Blown knows that nobody agrees with the stuff that is contained in his cut and paste. IMO, he was trying to draw a mod's attention to the entire cut and paste issue. I could be wrong.




Aaron,

Please read my post again. I started by saying "while I don't agree with Blown's position" Clearly I don't accept it so why the question to me?

Well nice to see someone on here uses his head for something other then a door stop. :)devil:)devil

To the rest of you, keep your head in the sand.:D

Moneypit
02-23-2008, 07:44 AM
I think we whipped this horse into oblivion awhile back. To cut and paste a position is quite different than actually stating "your" position. If Alky/Blown wants to write volumes about "his" position it might be interesting reading. (Might being key word). His position might relate why his hatred is so strong, what personal events lead him to have that position, and even relate some solutions that would improve his and our lives. To just paste other's ranting of hate and discontent without personalizing the reasons behind it is kind of empty in my opinion. IMO, we could learn a lot from the jews when it comes to foreign policy and how to deal with neighboring countries and our borders. A/B certainly has a right to voice his opinion, it would help if it were in his own words..............MP

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 07:46 AM
I think we whipped this horse into oblivion awhile back. To cut and paste a position is quite different than actually stating "your" position. If Alky/Blown wants to write volumes about "his" position it might be interesting reading. (Might being key word). His position might relate why his hatred is so strong, what personal events lead him to have that position, and even relate some solutions that would improve his and our lives. To just paste other's ranting of hate and discontent without personalizing the reasons behind it is kind of empty in my opinion. IMO, we could learn a lot from the jews when it comes to foreign policy and how to deal with neighboring countries and our borders. A/B certainly has a right to voice his opinion, it would help if it were in his own words..............MP

Hey, stevo cut and pastes all kinds of stuff and you bushies dont get your panties in a wad, if this was about how bad the rag heads where and doing all this stuff would there be a complaint??

Moneypit
02-23-2008, 08:08 AM
Alky, just curious, how has our government's interest in the jews affected your life, and mine, in your words, simple and to the point. All the pasted info is open to debate, as is my opinion and your's. How about a short paragraph even I could understand?......Your info, and opinion could be spot on, please explain it in terms that affect everyday life............Especially MY wallet........MP

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 08:12 AM
I think we whipped this horse into oblivion awhile back. To cut and paste a position is quite different than actually stating "your" position. If Alky/Blown wants to write volumes about "his" position it might be interesting reading. (Might being key word). His position might relate why his hatred is so strong, what personal events lead him to have that position, and even relate some solutions that would improve his and our lives. To just paste other's ranting of hate and discontent without personalizing the reasons behind it is kind of empty in my opinion. IMO, we could learn a lot from the jews when it comes to foreign policy and how to deal with neighboring countries and our borders. A/B certainly has a right to voice his opinion, it would help if it were in his own words..............MP

Ray,

I'm hoping that Mike (Rexone) will add a cut and paste restriction to the forums rules.

redneckcharlie
02-23-2008, 08:23 AM
Ray,

I hoping that Mike (Rexone) will add a cut and paste restriction to the forums rules.

I'll second that!

admin
02-23-2008, 08:34 AM
The cut and paste thing might be annoying, but do we really need to create a rule against it? We have enough rules, and people are going to be silly from time to time and post stuff that got forwarded to them from who knows where.

We now get to use our own brains and realize that any document that spends more time trying to justify why everyone is trying to keep it a secret than make it's point is probably useless.

The particular document in question above is probably one of the stupidest things I have read, but it does serve to remind me that there are people who write this stuff and probably believe it. My favorite part is where the author tries to justify the jewish lobby for the afghan war by stating that there are no oil resources in Afganistan so there must have been another reason for invasion... like possibly a terrorist attack on American soil?

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 08:39 AM
The cut and paste thing might be annoying, but do we really need to create a rule against it? We have enough rules, and people are going to be silly from time to time and post stuff that got forwarded to them from who knows where.

We now get to use our own brains and realize that any document that spends more time trying to justify why everyone is trying to keep it a secret than make it's point is probably useless.

The particular document in question above is probably one of the stupidest things I have read, but it does serve to remind me that there are people who write this stuff and probably believe it. My favorite part is where the author tries to justify the jewish lobby for the afghan war by stating that there are no oil resources in Afganistan so there must have been another reason for invasion... like possibly a terrorist attack on American soil?

The political forum on HB was clear in the regard. Cut and paste posts were restricted. IMO, they should be restricted in this political forum as well.

Again, JMHO

BTW, IMO this should only apply to the political forum

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 08:42 AM
Alky, just curious, how has our government's interest in the jews affected your life, and mine, in your words, simple and to the point. All the pasted info is open to debate, as is my opinion and your's. How about a short paragraph even I could understand?......Your info, and opinion could be spot on, please explain it in terms that affect everyday life............Especially MY wallet........MP

Do you have kids mp? I do, the school he goes to is short on money all the time but yet there are billions of tax payer dollars that get sent to israel every year, not a loan a gimmee, why is that? do you ever wonder what goes on over there? their health care system is the best in the world, why my tax dollars pay for it but yet I have to take it in the ass every month on my pay check for health care.

Just imagain what we could do for our country with billions of dollars every year but yet we give it to a country that spys on us and bilks us out of billions every year.

Heard about how the tax payers are going to pony up billions to bail out the insurance companies that have to pay them back for war reparations?

Tell me mp, why did russia arrest a bunch of oil tycoons a while back??

At least one Jewish group was happy with the proposal; the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (http://aipac.org/) (AIPAC) noted that the proposal includes $2.55 billion in foreign aid to Israel, an increase of $170 million as part of a new 10-year security aid agreement.

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 08:46 AM
Do you have kids mp? I do, the school he goes to is short on money all the time but yet there are billions of tax payer dollars that get sent to israel every year, not a loan a gimmee, why is that? do you ever wonder what goes on over there? their health care system is the best in the world, why my tax dollars pay for it but yet I have to take it in the ass every month on my pay check for health care.

Just imagain what we could do for our country with billions of dollars every year but yet we give it to a country that spys on us and bilks us out of billions every year.

Heard about how the tax payers are going to pony up billions to bail out the insurance companies that have to pay them back for war reparations?

Tell me mp, why did russia arrest a bunch of oil tycoons a while back??

More evidence that our system is badly broken.

SmokinLowriderSS
02-23-2008, 08:54 AM
Aaron,

Please read my post again. I started by saying "while I don't agree with Blown's position" Clearly I don't accept it so why the question to me?

I missed nothing.
Once past your disclaimer "while I don't agree with Blown's position", you then asked a question, doesn't he have the right to express it?

I asked for clarification ultra.

Your above question INFERS (unless you intend here to deny it) that he DOES HAVE A RIGHT to his opinion,

IMO, he does.

I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.

IMO, he does NOT.

He has an OPPORTUNITY for an audience, not a RIGHT by any means.

Back to you ultra: I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 08:58 AM
I missed nothing.
Once past your disclaimer "while I don't agree with Blown's position", you then asked a question, doesn't he have the right to express it?

I asked for clarification ultra.

Your above question INFERS (unless you intend here to deny it) that he DOES HAVE A RIGHT to his opinion,

IMO, he does.

I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.

IMO, he does NOT.


He has an OPPORTUNITY for an audience, not a RIGHT by any means.

Back to you ultra: I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.

The same could be said for your opinions:)devil

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 09:07 AM
I missed nothing.
Once past your disclaimer "while I don't agree with Blown's position", you then asked a question, doesn't he have the right to express it?

I asked for clarification ultra.

Your above question INFERS (unless you intend here to deny it) that he DOES HAVE A RIGHT to his opinion,

IMO, he does.

I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.

NO what you asked was

If some a##-clown has the right to EXPRESS a view, does the same clown also have the right to HAVE IT ACCEPTED, or do others have the right to REJECT IT?

IMO, he does NOT.

He has an OPPORTUNITY for an audience, not a RIGHT by any means.

Back to you ultra: I asked, If he has, in YOUR "opinion", a RIGHT to an audience.


If he wants to stand on a street corner with a sign that say Jews suck he has that right. You as an observer have the right to acknowledge or ignore him. The audience part in not a right, it's a gift if you choose to give it to him. I didn't read Blown's Jew post, did you?

BTW, your first question didn't ask if he had a right to an audience. If you had I would have answered

BigQ
02-23-2008, 09:09 AM
I find this funny. It is the "Clinton Administration", but the "Bush Regime" so transparent. what a bunch of cronies the jew haters are, the sheep's do flock.l):ame

In 1995, the Jewish lobby in America successfully pressured the Clinton administration into stopping American oil corporations from investing in Iran’s massive fossil fuel industry. This represented a clear cut victory for the Jewish lobby over America’s gigantic oil companies. It revealed the Jewish lobby had become even more powerful than the oil lobby. The Bush regime supported these sanctions and have added to them.

Rexone
02-23-2008, 11:42 AM
The cut and paste thing might be annoying, but do we really need to create a rule against it? We have enough rules, and people are going to be silly from time to time and post stuff that got forwarded to them from who knows where.

You'd be surprised Craig what's required to keep a couple of these guys from totally polluting the PR forum with crap links or cut n pastes. I've amended the guidelines to include that specific language now. This became a huge issue at hotboat that several ultimately were banned over for continued and habitual violation.

Please people do not make me start banning people here to allow this forum be be a civil place to discuss your own thoughts on political subjects. No one is really interested in reading what some left or right wing hack wrote unless perhaps you post your detailed opinion on it as well. I hope this clears up a small oversight on my part in the guidelines. We all know who everyone is here in spite of screename changes from Hotboat so lets just cut through the crap and get down to meaningful discussion.

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 12:14 PM
You'd be surprised Craig what's required to keep a couple of these guys from totally polluting the PR forum with crap links or cut n pastes. I've amended the guidelines to include that specific language now. This became a huge issue at hotboat that several ultimately were banned over for continued and habitual violation.

Please people do not make me start banning people here to allow this forum be be a civil place to discuss your own thoughts on political subjects. No one is really interested in reading what some left or right wing hack wrote unless perhaps you post your detailed opinion on it as well. I hope this clears up a small oversight on my parts in the guidelines. We all know who everyone is here in spite of screename changes from Hotboat so lets just cut through the crap and get down to meaningful discussion.

So a "sorry rex" wont cut it for anyone?

Steve 1
02-23-2008, 12:21 PM
Alky (Blown) has called BS on two or three of Steve's cut and paste posts with no response from a mod. I have looked at the rules, and there is no mention that cut and paste is not allowed. I think Blown knows that nobody agrees with the stuff that is contained in his cut and paste. IMO, he was trying to draw a mod's attention to the entire cut and paste issue. I could be wrong.




Aaron,

Please read my post again. I started by saying "while I don't agree with Blown's position" Clearly I don't accept it so why the question to me?


Right Ultra what in the Hell was I supposed to do??????? Re-Type the thing? Get real.

BTW Ole Bent should hate Hitler instead of emulating him as he created Israel.

Rexone
02-23-2008, 12:23 PM
Post # 2 should explain adequately. (http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?t=612)

Steve 1
02-23-2008, 12:26 PM
So a "sorry rex" wont cut it for anyone?


So JUST leave Bent and take your Israel/Jew hatred with you!

Moneypit
02-23-2008, 12:40 PM
Do you have kids mp? I do, the school he goes to is short on money all the time but yet there are billions of tax payer dollars Tell me mp, why did russia arrest a bunch of oil tycoons a while back??

At least one Jewish group was happy with the proposal; the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (http://aipac.org/) (AIPAC) noted that the proposal includes $2.55 billion in foreign aid to Israel, an increase of $170 million as part of a new 10-year security aid agreement.

Alky, the gov't wastes our hard earned tax dollars all over the world. Many of those countries have reps in DC. Bought and paid for with our tax dollars. To single out the jews as the all time bad guys is really narrow minded. Granted, shipping our money overseas, to ANY country, is wrong when we have plenty of needy people and programs right here at home. Now, one thing you fail to mention, when, and it will, push comes to shove in our direction over there it is the jews we can depend on to back us to the very end. Unlike most of the other countries that benefit from our funds, the jews are there for us. Why do we support 3rd world shitholes like the majority of Africa? We send food and aid only to have the corrupt gov'ts misuse it and further the pain and suffering of those we sent it to. The jews are first on the list of the jahadist to be killed. Not some of them, all of them. Then it is US, total mass murder. Until every living person accepts their way of life...Right?....I wrote in another thread what I thought of gov't waste and offshore charities being funded while we have homeless Veterans right here. IMO, not a single dime goes anywhere else until all of OUR citizens are on easy street, health care included. The way our vets are treated should be of first concern, then, of course our school teachers. I think the reps in DC should have their salary in line with the school teachers. Maybe then we could create an actual deserving president to vote for. The 3 choices we have now suck. So, Alky, how about researching the various countries and the amount of aid we send them, and what we gain from it? Then we can all compare it to the amount we send the jews, vs countries that could care less about the US of A. If given a choice of an ally in a for sure to happen war, the jews would be very high on my list. That way the war would be over in a few days and our brave troops brought home in total, un mistakable, victory..............MP

PS: Alky, none of this is personal, but you knew that........

Ultra26 # 1
02-23-2008, 12:50 PM
You'd be surprised Craig what's required to keep a couple of these guys from totally polluting the PR forum with crap links or cut n pastes. I've amended the guidelines to include that specific language now. This became a huge issue at hotboat that several ultimately were banned over for continued and habitual violation.

Please people do not make me start banning people here to allow this forum be be a civil place to discuss your own thoughts on political subjects. No one is really interested in reading what some left or right wing hack wrote unless perhaps you post your detailed opinion on it as well. I hope this clears up a small oversight on my parts in the guidelines. We all know who everyone is here in spite of screename changes from Hotboat so lets just cut through the crap and get down to meaningful discussion.

Thanks Mike



Right Ultra what in the Hell was I supposed to do??????? Re-Type the thing? Get real.

BTW Ole Bent should hate Hitler instead of emulating him as he created Israel.

Include your opinion about what you posted. I don't make the rules Steve. However, I do try and follow them.

John

Steve 1
02-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Thanks Mike





Include your opinion about what you posted. I don't make the rules Steve. However, I do try and follow them.

John

LMAO You got your ass beat a lot back in School!

SmokinLowriderSS
02-23-2008, 01:56 PM
Ummm, having an opinion accepted is to have an audience (a non-hostile one). If you note my post time, I happened to be about to go to work to work early OT, D%$^&D early OT, at 4AM no less, on maybe 5hrs sleep. I was letting my truck defrost at the time.

"Audience" was my prefered term, but, did not manage to pull IT from my skull untill almost 0450, as I neared work, 30+ miles from home.

Lordy I feel better after that nap.

admin
02-23-2008, 02:04 PM
You'd be surprised Craig what's required to keep a couple of these guys from totally polluting the PR forum with crap links or cut n pastes. I've amended the guidelines to include that specific language now. This became a huge issue at hotboat that several ultimately were banned over for continued and habitual violation.

Please people do not make me start banning people here to allow this forum be be a civil place to discuss your own thoughts on political subjects. No one is really interested in reading what some left or right wing hack wrote unless perhaps you post your detailed opinion on it as well. I hope this clears up a small oversight on my part in the guidelines. We all know who everyone is here in spite of screename changes from Hotboat so lets just cut through the crap and get down to meaningful discussion.

That is the definitive word on the matter then. Didn't realize that this was such a problem. Again, Rex I am glad you are here.

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 02:15 PM
Alky, the gov't wastes our hard earned tax dollars all over the world. Many of those countries have reps in DC. Bought and paid for with our tax dollars. To single out the jews as the all time bad guys is really narrow minded. Granted, shipping our money overseas, to ANY country, is wrong when we have plenty of needy people and programs right here at home. Now, one thing you fail to mention, when, and it will, push comes to shove in our direction over there it is the jews we can depend on to back us to the very end. Unlike most of the other countries that benefit from our funds, the jews are there for us. Why do we support 3rd world shitholes like the majority of Africa? We send food and aid only to have the corrupt gov'ts misuse it and further the pain and suffering of those we sent it to. The jews are first on the list of the jahadist to be killed. Not some of them, all of them. Then it is US, total mass murder. Until every living person accepts their way of life...Right?....I wrote in another thread what I thought of gov't waste and offshore charities being funded while we have homeless Veterans right here. IMO, not a single dime goes anywhere else until all of OUR citizens are on easy street, health care included. The way our vets are treated should be of first concern, then, of course our school teachers. I think the reps in DC should have their salary in line with the school teachers. Maybe then we could create an actual deserving president to vote for. The 3 choices we have now suck. So, Alky, how about researching the various countries and the amount of aid we send them, and what we gain from it? Then we can all compare it to the amount we send the jews, vs countries that could care less about the US of A. If given a choice of an ally in a for sure to happen war, the jews would be very high on my list. That way the war would be over in a few days and our brave troops brought home in total, un mistakable, victory..............MP

PS: Alky, none of this is personal, but you knew that........

I know it is not personal with you unlike others. The thing that gets me is they spy on us sell military secrets to other countries that hate us all the while playing us out. It will come to a head some day.

Alkywagon
02-23-2008, 02:16 PM
LMAO You got your ass beat a lot back in School!

Stevo if I declaire my unending haterd for non whites can I join your crew?

So if this post had been about a rabs would there been any discussion and having the mods come in??

Steve 1
02-23-2008, 02:22 PM
Stevo if I declaire my unending haterd for non whites can I join your crew?

So if this post had been about a rabs would there been any discussion and having the mods come in??


It is not "rabs" It is Islam I have a problem with.

SmokinLowriderSS
02-23-2008, 11:01 PM
So if this post had been about a rabs would there been any discussion and having the mods come in??

I juist ordered you some govt cheese, to go with your WHIIIIIIIIIINE.

Alkywagon
02-24-2008, 06:28 AM
I juist ordered you some govt cheese, to go with your WHIIIIIIIIIINE.

Thanks I love cheese, will it be a nice brie??

SmokinLowriderSS
02-24-2008, 07:53 AM
No, Feta.
Especially good on un-leavaned bread.

Alkywagon
02-24-2008, 08:07 AM
No, Feta.
Especially good on un-leavaned bread.

That is my fav, send it on over.

Ultra26 # 1
02-24-2008, 10:49 AM
LMAO You got your ass beat a lot back in School!

I've had my ass kicked once and only once. How about you Stevie boy?

BTW, what does this have to do with this thread?

Steve 1
02-24-2008, 10:56 AM
I've had my ass kicked once and only once. How about you Stevie boy?

BTW, what does this have to do with this thread?

Since you are the forum "squealer" I figured it was a life long trait is all.

Ultra26 # 1
02-24-2008, 10:59 AM
Since you are the forum "squealer" I figured it was a life long trait is all.


Steve, you are hilarious. Your BS gets old. That shouldn't be difficult to understand. :|err

Steve 1
02-24-2008, 11:20 AM
Steve, you are hilarious. Your BS gets old. That shouldn't be difficult too understand. :|err

No not even for you!

Alkywagon
02-24-2008, 02:54 PM
I've had my ass kicked once and only once. How about you Stevie boy?

BTW, what does this have to do with this thread?

Nothing but you see stevo can call people names, post links and cut and paste and all it take is a lil ol "sorry rex" and all is good.

Ultra26 # 1
02-24-2008, 02:57 PM
Nothing but you see stevo can call people names, post links and cut and paste and all it take is a lil ol "sorry rex" and all is good.

I think Steve may be viewed as "special". It's all I can figure.

Steve 1
02-24-2008, 05:39 PM
Nothing but you see stevo can call people names, post links and cut and paste and all it take is a lil ol "sorry rex" and all is good.

What is the matter inferiority complex because all that Jew hate can't keep up with the program?