loader fit

Master Sergeant · 03-09-2010, 05:04 PM

Is it OK that the back/bottom part of the loader does NOT touch the bottom of the inlet? I noticed a vibration in the boat and think it might be this.

sleekcrafter · 03-09-2010, 05:25 PM

Have seen them both ways, double check the loader for cracks, and if it is still bolted in tight. Standard Stainless harware will stretch, at higher speeds, and lossen the loader. The shoe can be blended in a little on the sides.....

cs19 · 03-09-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekcrafter

The shoe can be blended in a little on the sides.....

And the impeller looks munched.

If the loader isnt touching and you are ok with that cut all that garbage hanging off the bottom of the loader off. If you want it touching weld more material on till its touching and acting like a support.

OkieDave · 03-10-2010, 05:24 AM

it is not ok. the back end needs to be supported by resting on the intake. it will eventually break if not ask me how I know. you can tilt it a little to make it touch by using shims in the back two bolt hoes to bring the back end down a little. this will change the amount of water it picks up. I read this info years ago when I purchased a GTH top loader. on my GTH top loader, I drilled and tapped a hole for a bolt with a lock nut so I can adjust the back end of the loader up or down. you must shim accordingly at the front mounting bolt holes to keep everything tight so as not to flex or stress anything.

Widetrack · 03-10-2010, 05:57 AM

If you are running a stainless impellor and you were running an Alu. one before, you will notice a rumble vibration! Happened to me when I switched from Alu. I thought at first that it was loosing the thrust bearing! I have an MPD loader and I don't think it touches anywhere in the housing! I would do as CS said and build it up! I like the loader pad bolted flat to the housing! FWIW! WT

widowmaker · 03-10-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieDave

it is not ok. the back end needs to be supported by resting on the intake. it will eventually break if not ask me how I know. you can tilt it a little to make it touch by using shims in the back two bolt hoes to bring the back end down a little. this will change the amount of water it picks up. I read this info years ago when I purchased a GTH top loader. on my GTH top loader, I drilled and tapped a hole for a bolt with a lock nut so I can adjust the back end of the loader up or down. you must shim accordingly at the front mounting bolt holes to keep everything tight so as not to flex or stress anything.

I'm going to disagree here. You don't want any part of the loader touching anywhere inside the the intake area except for where it bolts to the mounting pad. The loader pad provides more than enough strength to hold the loader properly. If the loader that I've been using in the 405 can take 130 mph, I'm pretty sure quite a few other guys are running similar loaders have no problems. Over time, yes sometimes they will crack. That is when you fix them or replace them.

Tilting the loader is not how it is supposed to work. You get a loader built with appropriate ramp angles, lengths to match your boats needs.

Fairly certain CS was joking about the support deal.....

bp298 · 03-10-2010, 06:58 AM

mine's never touched. as long as the pad fits flush, and the machine screws are all nice and snug, should be fine. either way, it should be routinely checked to make sure the screws haven't backed off or stretched.
if your impeller had a load of crap go through it, could result in vibration. also, if any fastener is loose on your rideplate, it can vibrate like crazy.

but those shoe edges that are hanging down are creating drag. blend them.

Master Sergeant · 03-10-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bp298

mine's never touched. as long as the pad fits flush, and the machine screws are all nice and snug, should be fine. either way, it should be routinely checked to make sure the screws haven't backed off or stretched.
if your impeller had a load of crap go through it, could result in vibration. also, if any fastener is loose on your rideplate, it can vibrate like crazy.

but those shoe edges that are hanging down are creating drag. blend them.

Funny you should say that about the shoe edges. I just got back from dropping them off at the machine shop.

cs19 · 03-11-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by widowmaker

Fairly certain CS was joking about the support deal.....

Wasnt joking, was just saying that if he felt he had to have that support (which you do not need) he could do those things, like I said I would cut all that crap off or get a different loader.

The loader in my boat has an incredible amount of laps and river time on it, never had a problem and like you, I dont have those supports.

cs19 · 03-11-2010, 05:56 AM

Here are some pics of some loaders, notice how they mount and do not have that support hanging into the inlet tract.

http://home.pacbell.net/jmcclure/Loaders.html

Master Sergeant · 03-11-2010, 07:05 AM

Is support the sole purpose of this feature? Do they help to keep water directed to the outer part of the impeller or provide another function?

Clockstart · 03-11-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cs19

Here are some pics of some loaders, notice how they mount and do not have that support hanging into the inlet tract.

http://home.pacbell.net/jmcclure/Loaders.html

I'd sure like to see this photo from some different angles

Cs

cs19 · 03-12-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Master Sergeant

Is support the sole purpose of this feature?

yeah

03-09-2010, 05:25 PM	#2
sleekcrafter Michigan Hotboats Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South Elgin, Il. Posts: 3,903	Have seen them both ways, double check the loader for cracks, and if it is still bolted in tight. Standard Stainless harware will stretch, at higher speeds, and lossen the loader. The shoe can be blended in a little on the sides..... __________________

03-10-2010, 05:24 AM	#4
OkieDave Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 190	not ok. it is not ok. the back end needs to be supported by resting on the intake. it will eventually break if not ask me how I know. you can tilt it a little to make it touch by using shims in the back two bolt hoes to bring the back end down a little. this will change the amount of water it picks up. I read this info years ago when I purchased a GTH top loader. on my GTH top loader, I drilled and tapped a hole for a bolt with a lock nut so I can adjust the back end of the loader up or down. you must shim accordingly at the front mounting bolt holes to keep everything tight so as not to flex or stress anything.

03-10-2010, 05:57 AM	#5
Widetrack Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southwest corner AR Posts: 1,328	If you are running a stainless impellor and you were running an Alu. one before, you will notice a rumble vibration! Happened to me when I switched from Alu. I thought at first that it was loosing the thrust bearing! I have an MPD loader and I don't think it touches anywhere in the housing! I would do as CS said and build it up! I like the loader pad bolted flat to the housing! FWIW! WT __________________ SCREWED UP LIKE A TURNED OVER TACKLE BOX!

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03-10-2010, 06:58 AM	#7
bp298 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: LHC Posts: 1,705	mine's never touched. as long as the pad fits flush, and the machine screws are all nice and snug, should be fine. either way, it should be routinely checked to make sure the screws haven't backed off or stretched. if your impeller had a load of crap go through it, could result in vibration. also, if any fastener is loose on your rideplate, it can vibrate like crazy. but those shoe edges that are hanging down are creating drag. blend them.

03-11-2010, 05:56 AM	#10
cs19 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,812	Here are some pics of some loaders, notice how they mount and do not have that support hanging into the inlet tract. http://home.pacbell.net/jmcclure/Loaders.html

03-11-2010, 07:05 AM	#11
Master Sergeant Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sacramento Posts: 160	Is support the sole purpose of this feature? Do they help to keep water directed to the outer part of the impeller or provide another function?