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Damn! This Mexico shiznit is way over the top...

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#1 ·
I wonder if there is any way to get a hold on this. To me it seems like the country is fighting for its survival.....

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2009/09/03/ap-update/lt_drug_war_mexico.txt

Gunmen kill 17 people at a drug rehab in Mexico




Thursday, September 3, 2009 7:45 AM CDT



Gunmen broke into a drug rehabilitation center, lined people against a wall and shot 17 dead in a particularly bloody day in Mexico's relentless drug war. The brazen attack followed the killing of the No. 2 security official in President Felipe Calderon's home state.

The attackers on Wednesday broke down the door of El Aliviane center in Ciudad Juarez, lined up their victims against a wall and opened fire, said Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the regional prosecutors' office. At least five people were injured.

Authorities had no immediate suspects or information on the victims. Ciudad Juarez, across the border from El Paso, Texas, is Mexico's most violent city, with at least 1,400 people killed this year alone.

Most of the homicides are tied to drug gang violence, which has taken a heavy toll across Mexico. Earlier the same day, gunmen ambushed and killed a senior security official in the home state of President Felipe Calderon.


Dozens of sobbing relatives rushed to the rehabilitation center to find out if their loved ones were among the dead. Soldiers and federal agents patrolled the streets surrounding the center in the Bellavista neighborhood.

Calderon sent thousands more troops and federal police to Ciudad Juarez earlier this year, but the surge has done little to stem the raging violence. The city is home to the Juarez drug cartel, which is battling other gangs for trafficking and dealing turf.

The government is struggling to revamp Ciudad Juarez's police force, which is plagued by corruption and the assassination of many of its officers. Other police have quit the force out of fear of being targeted.

The massacre capped a particularly bloody day in Mexico's relentless drug war.

Gunmen killed the No. 2 security official and three other people in Calderon's home state of Michoacan, where the government is locked in an intensifying battle with the ruthless La Familia cartel, blamed for a string of assassinations of police and soldiers.

Jose Manuel Revuelta, who was promoted less than two weeks ago to state deputy public safety director, is the highest-ranking government official killed in the wave of assassinations sweeping Michoacan, the cradle of La Familia drug cartel.

Attackers drove up alongside Revuelta as he headed home and opened fire, state Attorney General Jesus Montejano said.

Revuelta tried to speed away, but only made it a few blocks before he was intercepted by two vehicles. Six gunmen got out and sprayed Revuelta's car with bullets, killing him, two bodyguards and a truck driver caught in the crossfire, Montejano said.

An AP reporter at the scene saw the bodies of Revuelta and his bodyguards in the car, which had at least 15 bullet holes in the front windshield. Soldiers and federal police rushed to the site _ just three blocks from the headquarters of the Michoacan Public Safety Department _ and a helicopter circled overhead.

Soldiers and federal police have intensified their fight against La Familia since accusing the cartel of killing 18 federal agents and two soldiers last month. In the worst attack, 12 federal agents were slain and their tortured bodies piled along a roadside as a warning.

It was the boldest cartel attack yet on Mexico's government. Authorities said say La Familia was retaliating for the arrest of one of its top members.

The government has since rounded up more La Familia suspects, including Luis Ricardo Magana, who is alleged to have controlled methamphetamine shipments to the United States for the gang. Days before his capture, prosecutors detained the mother of reputed La Familia leader Servando "La Tuta" Gomez despite his threat to retaliate if police bothered his family. The woman was released after two days "for lack of evidence" of involvement in the cartel.

Calderon first launched his crackdown against drug cartels in Michoacan, sending thousands of federal police and soldiers to his home state after taking office in late 2006. Tens of thousands more have since been deployed to drug hotspots across Mexico.

Drug gang violence has since surged, claiming more than 13,500 lives, including more than 1,000 police officers.

Calderon defended his battle against drug trafficking in a speech to Congress on Wednesday. He said the government has taken on the cartels as no previous Mexican administration has dared to do.

"As never before, we have weakened the logistical and financial structure of crime," the president told legislators.

The federal Attorney General's Office, meanwhile, announced the arrest of its two top officials in Quintana Roo, a state on the Yucatan Peninsula, for allegedly protecting the Gulf and the Beltran Levya drug cartels.

Officials provided no further details on the allegations against the prosecutors, who were ordered jailed by a court Wednesday pending the investigation.

Associated Press Writers Gustavo Ruiz in Morelia, Michoacan, Manuel de la Cruz in Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas, and Alexandra Olson in Mexico City contributed to this report.
 
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#2 ·
And yet the border remains open with no controls and these A-holes move back and fourth with little fear.:|err
 
#5 ·
Thats crazy. I cancelled a trip to Mexico in October (El Golfo) but my sister is going for two weeks.
No need to cancel a trip to El Golfo. I have a house down there and i go about 10 times a year and have never had any problems. or heard of any problems accuring down there. I love El Golfo! Or good friend owns the main bar down there called El Capitan. her name is Terresa. if you have any questions or concerns while your down there shes the one to talk to. ill be headed down that way at the end of Sept and looking forward to it.
 
#6 ·
I've heard some crazy stuff going on down there. I have buddies who are mexican and head south at least once a month or so. Lately they have been kicking it here. Someone at my work had a friend get stuffed. Further south of the boarder I hear they aren't having quite the ferocity of crime. My friend just came back from Mexico city, his only gripe was the expensive beers at the strip club.

As for no controls on the boarder, my buddy is tryin; he works for boarder patrol but they are so few and the boarder is so big. Besides, I hear that California isn't as desireable a place to illegally immigrate to now that its finances are nosing over. Maybe soon we'll start flocking south for work!? LOL!
 
#8 ·
I wonder if there is any way to get a hold on this. To me it seems like the country is fighting for its survival.....

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The orginization responsible for this hostle take over is a ruthless EXTREMELY well financed group that will not take no for an answer... In other words Mexico (as many knock has many beautiful places to visit...) is in its own war with its own alqueda... its been said that this group has 3x's the power and $$$$ as alqueda itself... Sad to say but mexico is in a huge hurt...
 
#9 ·
It's the border towns that are the problem. If your heading down into typical tourist spost like cabo, vallarta etc your fine. The drug war is on the borders because the cartels are pushing to move product and they face resistance from apposing cartels and local police.
 
#12 ·
Im heading to cabo the first or second week in november. 5 days and 4 night, airfare, taxi, hotel, and food and drinks all for $1200 for me and my chick. I hope the press keeps the hype going because there are killer deals right now to head down there for a weekend.
 
#23 ·
Cabo has gone way, way down hill in the last few years.
Last time I was there, coke dealers everywhere besides the pot dealers on the beach, hookers walking the streets and theft just like or exceeding the mainland.

The country is on the verge of open warfare, no way I'd risk it currently.

BTW Cabo is a huge drug transport center so don't think the warfare is any further away than a few blocks off the beach.
 
#16 ·
At the end of the day.... don't you suppose this was some dopers who did some bad business with the cartels and were trying to hide out in a rehab center?

Don't do drugs then you won't end up in a Mexican Rehab center and your chances of being killed in one is zero......
 
#21 ·
I would like to see more publicity on the slaying of US Border Patrol that happened a few weeks ago. I know that they have positioned all resources to the front and pretty much stopped everything from crossing. If they can do this when a tragedy happens why dance around it any other time.
 
#28 ·
The years between 1920-1923, Prohibition made it again legal to import, produce, and sell beverage alcohol.
The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers, Al Capone/crime bosses and the forces of big government/political corruption..

Fast forward to today. The only beneficiaries of illicit drug prohibition are prison contractors, morticians, street drug gangs, drug cartels and the forces of big government/political corruption.

When you prohibit the sale of any commodity people want to buy, a lucrative black market in that commodity will spring up, It will be followed by organized crime fighting to control the black market. my .02


more reading on prohibition of recreational drugs...
mises.org/journals/scholar/thornton15.pdf
 
#35 ·
This is the result of sharing a border with the largest drug market in the world. If Americans weren't so determined to get high there would be no cartels. Not in Mexico, Columbia or in Afghanistan. It's just basic Adam Smith economics: with a huge demand, supply ramps up too.....
 
#36 ·
The funny thing is most of the shit that happens in El Paso/Juarez never hits the mainstream media. I live 35 miles from El Paso, just across the border in New Mexico but I work in EP a couple days a week. One of the places I work at regularly is the county hospital which is were they bring all the patients they think they can save. The mexican paramedics drop the gun shot victims off at the border where a US ambulance is waiting to take them to this hospital. Some of the more important people who have been shot like the chief of the state police, shot five times and lived, cause the hospital to go on lock-down. When the hospital is in lock-down law officers form a armed circle around the entire hospital. It is usally a mix of local leo's, sheriff, DEA, etc. There make is so there is only one way in and out of the entire hospital and you are required to go through a security screening just like what is conducted at airports. Pretty scary stuff walking up to a hospital that is surrounded by leo's carrying assault rifles. It feels like you are walking onto the set of a bad low budget movie but there are real bullets in those guns. They are always worried that he violence will spill over into EP. Especially when the person they tried to kill makes it to the US and is going to live.
 
#40 ·
Amen to all that stay here, yep, that place is a real shit hole, stay away, and tell your friends to stay away, its just not worth it, dont to there,,,,danger to all,,,spread the word!!!

Avoid Baja at all expense!!!,and especially stay away from 'San
Felipe....never, never never go there!!!

And Cabo, well, thats the worst.....:)devil:D
 
#42 ·
Avoid Baja at all expense!!!,and especially stay away from 'San Felipe....never, never never go there!!!
Big Dog X100... Especially the dreaded Cartel triangle, its VERY dangerous... San flip to Mike Sky Ranch to Mexicalli... DO not go anywhere near there in the Fall, Winter and Spring...... Its only barely safe in the middle of the summer if you must and don't leave the main paved roads...
 
#41 ·
My family has had a second home in Cantamar (south of Rosarito) my entire life - now it's up to me to care for it. I've been going there >30 years and I feel as safe as I did 10 years ago. The problems are in the rough areas and the targets are selected. I keep to myself and stay in our "area" and never really had a problem. Obviously staying in TJ or CJ is a no-no, but why would you be there anyway???
 
#44 ·
My family has had a second home in Cantamar (south of Rosarito) my entire life - now it's up to me to care for it. I've been going there >30 years and I feel as safe as I did 10 years ago. The problems are in the rough areas and the targets are selected. I keep to myself and stay in our "area" and never really had a problem. Obviously staying in TJ or CJ is a no-no, but why would you be there anyway???
2-4-1 cervesa's y $40 thirty minute spanish lessons from hot lil senoritas. :D


The years between 1920-1923, Prohibition made it again legal to import, produce, and sell beverage alcohol.
The only beneficiaries of Prohibition were bootleggers, Al Capone/crime bosses and the forces of big government/political corruption..

Fast forward to today. The only beneficiaries of illicit drug prohibition are prison contractors, morticians, street drug gangs, drug cartels and the forces of big government/political corruption.

When you prohibit the sale of any commodity people want to buy, a lucrative black market in that commodity will spring up, It will be followed by organized crime fighting to control the black market. my .02


more reading on prohibition of recreational drugs...
mises.org/journals/scholar/thornton15.pdf


Excellent post right there...
 
#51 ·
Dude, if you read my post (assuming your comment was directed at my post) you will find that my comment was directed at the rider getting shot, not the crime in the border cities, most of that crime is all about the drug dealers taking cre of their own problems with competition, and to that I say ...send them ammo, lots of ammo, they will take care of the problem themselves.

My defense of Mexico is pointed at Baja, which unfortunately is part of Mexico, where the place is coincided a real shit hole, yes there os crime in Baja, which sucks, especially when you leave the comfort and safety of a place like downtown L.A., where there is no crime!!
 
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