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    I want the 350xs too!!!!! i am sitting around twirling my thumbs waiting and say my prayers before bed every night LOL


    Quote Originally Posted by moneyfurnothin View Post
    Does anyone know the mileage from lake havasu marina launch to moabi? Id love to try to figure out what i was kind of mileage i was getting with my single 300x.

    On a seperate note, how nice would it be to have a mercury insider on these boards. The progression in 4 stroke technology is impressive, but there are alot of us waiting for a 350HP 2 stroke. I talked to mercury racing at the boat show and according to them, it wasnt even in the works. All there focus seems to be in the 4 stroke motors. With the economy in the shitter, IMO there has never been a better time to progress the 2 strokes. Gas prices and the economy make the 21-25ft boat market much more appealing which is a prime canidate for 2 stroke power. Maybe im begging here, but mercury please.....give us the 350xs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAP View Post
    Hey Ultra26#1:

    Ha! you don't know because you have never done the math...laughing. Even if you halve that number it is still a considerable sum. The number I provided is a good figure increase it if you run twin I/O motors and more if the motors produce four digit horsepower.

    Yeah! hard to comprehend when you start doing the numbers why do you think all the big boat manufacturers are now offering smaller models Hustler now has a 29ft V-Bottom, Outerlimits is also coming out with a 28ft V-Bottom. The big boat days are slowly dwindling. The price of oil went up yesterday... oil hit 100.74 yesterday a barrel.

    Go back and re-read Stoker2001's MPG numbers you can definitely do a lot of boating with single outboards and light hull. I do not think you can argue this point versus anything a BBC/V-8 can offer.

    KAP

    P.S. Our boat holds 80 gallons of fuel and I can burn all of it in one day multiple that with a three day weekend and your knocking on the door of $1,100 dollars in one weekend...yeah ouch!. Do some ocean boating Long Beach to Catalina in a big V-Bottom and cruise around the island and your definitely in the four figure range on fuel. FYI at LOTO I burned $3,700 dollars in fuel.

    P.P.S. Oh almost forgot have a friend in Sarasota boats about 200+ hours a year do the math on that consumption.
    Actually I do know how much I spend on fuel and it's not even in the ball park of the figures you've discussed. Granted my little CMI'd HO only puts out around 450 HP and my boat will not run near triple digits. Nonetheless, I can cruise all day at near $40 to $50 an hour, and I can afford that. At $450 an hour I'd give it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Actually I do know how much I spend on fuel and it's not even in the ball park of the figures you've discussed. Granted my little CMI'd HO only puts out around 450 HP and my boat will not run near triple digits. Nonetheless, I can cruise all day at near $40 to $50 an hour, and I can afford that. At $450 an hour I'd give it up.
    Well Ultra26#1

    I think your calculations are incorrect.

    In any event if you had a single outboard you would pay $39 dollars an hour.

    KAP

    P.S. $450 hour WOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAP View Post
    Well Ultra26#1

    I think your calculations are incorrect.

    In any event if you had a single outboard you would pay $39 dollars an hour.

    KAP

    P.S. $450 hour WOT.
    Based on 15 gallons per hour at $3.60 per gallon (AZ Regular price), it's $54 per hour. Not too far off

    See post on OSO from Ray

    what is the fuel consumption for 496 ho - Page 3 - Offshoreonly.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAP View Post
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    Also can someone help me calculate the efficiency variable of twin engines running on one boat it seems there should be a added MPG for running twins...due to engine efficiency.

    I don't know what the penalty is for running twins, engine efficiency is one part, drag from an extra drive is another part.


    In any event, a new outboard is far cheaper than a I/O setup and the power to weight ratio of the O/B cannot be beat. A single 300XS with it's own drive system is cranking 315+/-HP and all for the bargain price of $16,100 brand new add $300 for shipping right to your door. If you try that with any other performance engine package you would be looking at double the price plus drive system.

    $16k is not bad, I thought they were over $20k. And that's for 300 hp. While your points are well taken, I can get reman 460 long block with 300 hp for $2k.


    On the flip side you have quite a few outboard guys in the PB Outboard section who regularly run 100 to 150 miles in one session all with outboard powered boats and obtain outrageous gas mileage and running triple digit speeds at will and for long distances. All without breaking the bank.

    Triple digit speeds and good mpg?
    You seem to be comparing a 19' Stoker with a 40' boat.



    I think we can debate all we want but the new computer controlled outboards will be the rage. . The Offshore crowd is already heading in the direction I speak of visit any major coastal city in Florida and hang out at the launch ramp it will be self evident.

    KAP
    I agree. I'm in FL, and all I see is outboards so maybe I'm taking that for granted.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoker2001 View Post
    Kap,not sure where you got this info..maybe WFO specs?
    My 250XS got right near 8MPG at cruise and the 300XS can do close to 7MPG at cruise
    I think Paul (BB) gets 5MPG at 100MPH on his littlebully with 300XS
    I would have to see this to believe it. And I'm very curious about your boat, prop. and cruise speed.
    I figure my old jet at 2.5-3.0 mpg. Cruise at maybe 3300 rpm, 32 mph
    And my 90 hp Johnson at maybe 4-5 mpg. Cruise at 3600 rpm, 30 mph. The bimini on that is like a parachute though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Granted my little CMI'd HO only puts out around 450 HP and my boat will not run near triple digits. Nonetheless, I can cruise all day at near $40 to $50 an hour, and I can afford that. At $450 an hour I'd give it up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Based on 15 gallons per hour at $3.60 per gallon (AZ Regular price), it's $54 per hour. Not too far off

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    Those numbers seem kosher to me. As long you keep it at the most efficient cruise, and don't go balls out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBjet View Post

    I would have to see this to believe it. And I'm very curious about your boat, prop. and cruise speed.
    I figure my old jet at 2.5-3.0 mpg. Cruise at maybe 3300 rpm, 32 mph
    And my 90 hp Johnson at maybe 4-5 mpg. Cruise at 3600 rpm, 30 mph. The bimini on that is like a parachute though.





    All the new 2 stroke outboards with Hi pressure direct injection get incredible fuel mileage gains at cruise over the older EFI 2 strokes
    My Boat was a 22' Stoker/Elim ModVP tunnel bottom with carbon Kevlar layup
    Prop was a labbed Merc Bravo1 26 pitch four blade and speed was around 30mph to get 8mpg with a light load of bodies and gear
    One thing no one mentioned is the cost of 2 stroke oil that is burned that adds into the equation
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