The Military / industrial cabals are bankrupting us
Why do so called fiscal conservatives never complain about military spending? Why the blind rightie support of this absurd waste of money ??? Yet you bitch about college girls getting free birth control pills ????? Just based on military spending proportion's, we should now know who is running this nation's economy into the ground ?
No wonder there are never ending wars.
BYW, These figures are for 2009. The figures are probably much worse by now!
The Federal Pie Chart
Dude, you need to learn another tune, you're a 1 note Zombie. Haven't you beat this drum to death? Let me see what's a better ROI, social services and a grossly fraudulent welfare system, or ROI on the baddest, most sophisticated military known to man protecting not only our nation but a big chunk of the world (unless O is re elected). Hmmmmm?? Survey Say's, MILITARY hands down!
I do!! The military needs to be cut just as much if not a little more than other departments. And I'm not talking about soldier pay or benefits. I'm talking about the absurd amount of money spent in hardware. I realize we have the most advanced armed forces in the world but we can still cut it by quite a bit and still be the most advanced. Hell, the Nimitz class carriers are still better than anything else out there and we're spending billions and billions developing the newest Ford class carriers. How many missiles do we have that end up going unused? 90%? How many do we have? Those cost almost a million dollars each. Every time they shoot one of those missile tests? Yep cost a million bucks to act like a kid playing with a toy. Let's just blow up money.Originally Posted by zombie
Double standards.
Because they are scared and it makes them feel good inside that America is the tough guy nation.
Because evry good christian knows premarital sex is immoral and any harlot that participates in it should be punished by having to raise a child. Remember, the GOP is all about personal responsibility(yeah right). Having protected sex outside of marriage is having fun without having to be responsible for any consequences. God wouldn't want that.
They are keeping America safe and spreading American Christian values throughout the globe.The United States military is doing God's work.
They probably are.
A better ROI would be military. Basically the difference on saving $1 by reforming social services or $10 or even $100 reforming the amount of money spent on hardware that largely goes unused except to show the world we have it. I'm not saying reduce our military to the level of Mexico or anything of the kind. We can EASILY still be the best most sophisticated military known to man and still save a shitload of money.
Yeah, I think I'll take General Eisenhower's expert opinion over your survey:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
If Obama care passes you won't have any Doctors to staff these fine new hospitals. . . .
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron
I believe it was another successful leader who is credited with end the cold war who said "Peace through Strength!"
....And what's with the red font, I thought you didn't think much of Doc. You do know, Imitation is the greatest form of flattery right?
Red font because Eisenhower was a Republican. And as for my opinion of Doc, we might have different positions on most things politically and religiously, but beyond that I don't know him. He could be a great guy for all I know.
I can lament the same as Ike about the waste of resources, due to military requirements. Good people have had those thoughts since our ancestors picked up a club and used it as a weapon. But in the real world there will always be assholes who want power,and they do not care how they get it.
If some people here want to live in la la land, thinking a utopia will come about, dream on! The U.S. ,giving up our advantage of military might, is not a viable alternative. Many in the world hate us, for any number reasons.
I am sure there is some wastefull spending that can be addressed in a thoughtfull manner, but I definitely do not trust Hussein to be the one to do it.
It is still better to be the big dog on the block.
I'd also add since this quote is a cherry picked, cut and paste, and taken out of context, I wonder what Eisenhower would have preferred while fighting the Japanese and Germans, bushel's of wheat to feed the welfare recipients or a boats full of bombs, brick school houses, or destroyers, genius scientists developing solar power, or genius scientists developing radar and weapons guidance systems, building a highway or building a bomber.
I have no problem cutting waste and fraud from any program, take 1M from the military, take 1M from Acorn, next Mil from HUD, then Planned Parenthood, Endowment for the Arts, EPA , so on, so on.
Not really.
You might want to read up on President Eisenhower and his thoughts on war. The conservatives and warmongers of today could learn a thing or two from that man.
You're going to have to do a lot more than just cut waste and fraud. I hate to say it, but your statement makes you look out of touch. All the best.
Cutting our miliarty to a level that will satisfy zombie, RTI, R&J is suicide. Like living in Compton and not owning a firearm. Or worse, like living in the U.S.A. without a firearm with the impending trashing of the constitution at the hands of the progressives we are surrounded by.
If you think there are people like zombie and RTI that hate free capitolism, look around at the rest of the world. Free people in this world are a threat to their total control of their populations. The shrinking of the world makes freedom more and more obvious to the masses and the governments are having a harder and harder time controlling them. With the exception of the total isolation of R&J's utopia, So. Korea, almost every person, in all nations, is fully aware of how this countries system operates(FOR NOW!) Sure, there are those inside like RTI, zombie, havasu 1986, CVX, and R&J and all the others that will do anything to put a halt to it and try to drag us down to their level of uselessness. But I have to believe that the majority of Americans still like being free to work and earn their own way.
Its our military that keeps us that way. Both ouside and in. (FOR NOW!)
One thing zombie needs to rethink. Long before you cripple the military with your drastic cuts, you better gather every single weapon from every single American. because that military will be the ONLY thing standing between you and certain elimination in the event of an uprising. You NEED that military to protect your own ass from your own mouth andyour own liberal ass progressive ideals. Most people in this country are not in favor of you and your messiah's idea taking over every aspect of our lives. No more than George Washington and Jefferson stood for it. Re-elction will only serve to heighten the issue. More division, more hatered towards the lazy, useless, burdensom POS in this country. More race divison, which is VERY WELL planned and carried out in my eyes. One more "progressive" like Hiltabeast, and the whole thing could snap.
Amercia better wake up.
I will agree with one thing about the size of the military. Its waaaaaaaay to big for what the POS in office are willing to use. It does no good to have a huge bat if the enemy believes you never use it.
Last edited by gn7; 03-29-2012 at 11:55 AM.
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