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oh so true

must be the corporations causing it all, right zom?

Cas, its worse than that. You show a pic of what Hiroshima is today, but not what it was 65 yearts ago. and Detroit today, but not the industrial power house of the ENTIRE WORLD that it was.
All, according to zombie, due to corporate greed, and not the welfare handouts he so dearly endorses. ?Which do you figure had the worse long term effects. The bomb and WWII, or LBJs war on poverty, and zombie's endorsed war on corporate America?

Only a true red communist can truely enjoy the fruits of their labors in totally destroying the industrial base of this country. The industrial base that WON WWII. The WAR MACHINE that zombie hates.
Detroit 1949


Detroit today




Hiroshima 1945


Hirshima today

Anyone who refuses to lay some of the blame for Detroit's downfall on the UAW has simply made a huge mistake.

Originally Posted by The Doctor

Anyone who refuses to lay some of the blame for Detroit's downfall on the UAW has simply made a huge mistake.

Is that some how different than zombies hatered of corporations? Is the AUW some how less socialistic than most DEM POTUSs? Than the OWS zombies? Its all the same organization, just simply different branches all working towards the same goal.

Originally Posted by zombie

Detroit's decay is a complex problem. However, corporate mis-management and building shitty cars for many years is as much to blame for Detroit's current condition as any other reasons. . During the 1970-1990s Japan's and other imports soundly kicked American auto maker's asses.
The city and people of Detroit were abandonded by the corporations as they sought ways to better compete......

Why is that, do you think?
Ever heard the term "cost effective"??

No complexity about it.

Originally Posted by zombie

Detroit's decay is a complex problem. However, corporate mis-management and building shitty cars for many years is as much to blame for Detroit's current condition as any other reasons. . During the 1970-1990s Japan's and other imports soundly kicked American auto maker's asses.
The city and people of Detroit were abandonded by the corporations as they sought ways to better compete......

I have worked in (and still am related to) the Automobile business for 40+ years and although US products are/were innovative and unique the Asians did kick our asses , their products ,quality control and work ethic was and still is head and shoulders above ours the unions made our people lazy and complacent and it showed in the product (and ultimately sales) The difference between Chrysler corp to American Honda went I switched over in the 80's was so stark and obvious I was awestruck! and yes that lazyiness and complacency brought on by the unions was very likley due in part to that decline and urban decay very sad indeed ...Tom

BTW I still Drive American made cars .....

There you go Z, Tom answered it for you!!
(hey Tom, I got the bench covered. Shoot you a pic when I get home. I'm in Denver airport right now)

It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.

Originally Posted by RodnJen

It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.

Huh. So your kids now owe over like 35K apiece and climbing.
Nearly half of that or so is from the last 3 years.
5 years at that rate of escalation with NO return will put them at well over 50k in debt the second they take a breath.
50 years???


Your post smacks of Barney Frank syndrome.
"it's their fault for not stopping us".

Originally Posted by RodnJen

It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.

A 50 year business plan??? And pray-tell how as a corporate mogul such as yourself, how would you put together a 50 year plan? The people I know in the corporate world cannot even put a 2 or 3 year plan together in today's business enviroment because of the economic uncertainty and unrest. To be able to do a XX year plan one needs to know the outside influences such as tax rates, pending outcome of new regulations, future fees, material costs, energy costs, labor costs and a gaggle of other factors the corporate planner has no control of. Trying to do a 5 year business plan in todays business enviorment will only cause embarrasment for the planner, disappointment to managment and possibly catastrophic failure of the business.

Originally Posted by RodnJen

It is what happens when corporate boards or govts. have a five-year plan instead of a 50-year plan. The unions are certainly part of the problem but those people in charge are paid to manage that problem.

For those of us fortunate enough to have kids, one of the greatest gifts we can give them is our own ability to say NO. Saying yes often serves the 5-year plan but is counter productive to the 50-year vision.

Thats insane!
The management is employed to manage this problem? Should there even be a problem. Like saying police are hired to handle crime and gangs. Should there even be gangs in this country? Are gangs now some how a human right covered by the constitution? Didn't the federal government arm unions with the RIGHT to gang warfare against corporations and manufactures.
How do you compete against Japan, and their work ethic with a bunch of whiney pussies getting paid 40+ bennies to install a cigrette lighter into its slot? To install a windshield wiper that USE to be done on a gas island in a gas station by the attendent. Are your kidding me with this SKILLED labor bullshit. Maybe to some useless twit like yourself that is considered SKILLED. To me, not hardly. A secretary operating a computer or typing 60 words a minute has more skill. The paper boy that can hit you porch 9 times out of 10 as more skill. A freek'n short order cook has more skill!!!!!!

YOU and all your socilaist believers used both hands to shove those jobs offshore and now you're bitching.
Quality? You think it was all mismanagment and quality.
Looked at the shoes on the market today? Clothes? Simple ass table ware? Did the U.S. steel industry start turn out crap all of a sudden and first Japan then China show the U.S. steel makers how to make BETTER steel? Seriously R&J, you REALLY want to stick to that sorry ass EXCAUSE. No blame on the labor force that was so over paid for such a UNSKILLED job that they have 9 years olds doing the job offshore. SKILLED R&J? Thats what you call your socialist whiney ass cohorts?

BOTTOM LINE; Management was only a small component. Government regulations, pure shit import laws that still exist today, labor regulations, union demands, and most importantly, THE AMERICAN CONSUMER is to blame.



But then, I can't feel to awfully bad for these people. The last time I was in Dearborn, there were more imports in the employee parking lot than Fords. What does that tell you?????

Originally Posted by 058

Trying to do a 5 year business plan in todays business enviorment will only cause embarrasment for the planner, disappointment to managment and possibly catastrophic failure of the business.

The company I work for drew up a 4 year plan starting in 2009. Do more work with less people, using fewer vehicles, and as few new purchases as possible. Review business plan in Dec 2012 to see if business environment shows potential signs of improvment. It was actually a pretty easy plan to draw up.

Originally Posted by gn7

Thats insane!
The management is employed to manage this problem? Should there even be a problem. Like saying police are hired to handle crime and gangs. Should there even be gangs in this country? Are gangs now some how a human right covered by the constitution? Didn't the federal government arm unions with the RIGHT to gang warfare against corporations and manufactures.
How do you compete against Japan, and their work ethic with a bunch of whiney pussies getting paid 40+ bennies to install a cigrette lighter into its slot? To install a windshield wiper that USE to be done on a gas island in a gas station by the attendent. Are your kidding me with this SKILLED labor bullshit. Maybe to some useless twit like yourself that is considered SKILLED. To me, not hardly. A secretary operating a computer or typing 60 words a minute has more skill. The paper boy that can hit you porch 9 times out of 10 as more skill. A freek'n short order cook has more skill!!!!!!

YOU and all your socilaist believers used both hands to shove those jobs offshore and now you're bitching.
Quality? You think it was all mismanagment and quality.
Looked at the shoes on the market today? Clothes? Simple ass table ware? Did the U.S. steel industry start turn out crap all of a sudden and first Japan then China show the U.S. steel makers how to make BETTER steel? Seriously R&J, you REALLY want to stick to that sorry ass EXCAUSE. No blame on the labor force that was so over paid for such a UNSKILLED job that they have 9 years olds doing the job offshore. SKILLED R&J? Thats what you call your socialist whiney ass cohorts?

BOTTOM LINE; Management was only a small component. Government regulations, pure shit import laws that still exist today, labor regulations, union demands, and most importantly, THE AMERICAN CONSUMER is to blame.



But then, I can't feel to awfully bad for these people. The last time I was in Dearborn, there were more imports in the employee parking lot than Fords. What does that tell you?????


The company I work for drew up a 4 year plan starting in 2009. Do more work with less people, using fewer vehicles, and as few new purchases as possible. Review business plan in Dec 2012 to see if business environment shows potential signs of improvment. It was actually a pretty easy plan to draw up.

Yep...couldn't agree with you more...It is called "Battening the hatches, dropping the sails, riding out the storm and hopefully survive." That is about the most basic business plan since the beginning of time.