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Hillary Pride Speech

Proud Mother, Democrat, Senator, American, and supporter of BO.....Why not a Proud Wife and Former First Lady??????????

Strikes me as odd. Especially with Bill grinning ear to ear right in front of her.

She really gave no direct backing of Barry O's policies, just that she "supportted" him. Her backers for the most part despise O and it's going to be interesting how many will actually take Hill's half hearted request and vote BO.

I think many of the Clinton backers feel if O loses, Hill will be in a better position to make a serious run in 2012. This could throw a lot of votes McCain's way. Clinton is preparing an "I told ya so" campaign.

Originally Posted by Old Texan

Proud Mother, Democrat, Senator, American, and supporter of BO.....Why not a Proud Wife and Former First Lady??????????

Strikes me as odd. Especially with Bill grinning ear to ear right in front of her.

She really gave no direct backing of Barry O's policies, just that she "supportted" him. Her backers for the most part despise O and it's going to be interesting how many will actually take Hill's half hearted request and vote BO.

I think many of the Clinton backers feel if O loses, Hill will be in a better position to make a serious run in 2012. This could throw a lot of votes McCain's way. Clinton is preparing an "I told ya so" campaign.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as they were holding the camera to Bill's mug for 50% of the pre-speach. Kept asking myself, is she saving up the "proud wife" for the end. Never came!

Your'e right about the 2012 election strategy. This speach struck me more about who SHE is and HER qualifications for president than a hard core support of BO. My 2 centas are that she will BLOW AWAY BO if McCain wins in November and doesn't run for a 2nd term. She has really elevated her public speaking.

We'll see how the "First Man" does tonight, tonight!

Bill was smiling as he probably just got laid minutes before .... This is what i appreciated about his term in office ... He was out focking off and the country Ran fine ?? Still would take her for pres over obama - She is dialed in . He isn't - gonna take Him both terms to figure it out !

Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1

Most Dems know that Obama's policies and Hillary's policies almost mirror each other. Also, your comment about her supporters, for the most part despising Obama, was a little exaggerated. Most that I have spoken with and have listened to, who saw Hill's speech, believe that it she seriously does not want McCain elected. I thought she made that point very clear.

Hear what you want to hear and believe what you want to believe but all I've seen on various news channels, websites, and radio are digruntled Clinton supporters saying Obama is not what they want and not what they will vote for. They feel O slighted her on the VP and don't feel he fairly won the primaries. If O had been making he speeches he's made in the last month or so prior to the first primaries, Clinton would be the nominee. These are both people on the street and Dem campaign folks so it seems to be a good cross section of the party.

As far as policies they talk the same rhetoric but O is far more extreme in his leftist liberal leanings. I never would want Hillary but there are those in her following that view her as their version of the answer and will never back Obama. Besides Dems are more about "the person" than "real" policies. Most Dem policies are the same old same old based on "best for the children", "care for the depressed", "equality for all", etc, etc. The whole new Democratic Party is built on a Utopian platform that seeks power and has no clue what to do with it when the get it (Pelosi and Reid are fine examples of do nothing right). Dems come across as caring little about the USA just as long as the Republicans aren't running things.

Top that off with the fact Bill just doesn't like Obama and has gone as far as calling him a "Chicago Thug", and you have the other reason why the Clinton supporters won't fall in behind the Obama camp. Bill has been offended by Obama and there is a divide in the party that is still visible at the convention. Bill is the "magnet" of the "Clinton Machine" and without him, despite his gaffes, he alone gives Hillary the only real chance to be President as the "fans" feel he will actually be President in the event she gets the office.

In her speech Hillary talked with more emphasis on her own accomplishments than any serious backing of Obama. Do you really think she's going to bluntly say she wants O to win????? More what she didn't say.......

Take off the "Liberal Rose" colored glasses once in a while and you might see what others see......The Democratic Party of the last 20 or so years has digressed into something far different than the first 3/4's of the 20th century.

Originally Posted by Old Texan

Hear what you want to hear and believe what you want to believe but all I've seen on various news channels, websites, and radio are digruntled Clinton supporters saying Obama is not what they want and not what they will vote for. They feel O slighted her on the VP and don't feel he fairly won the primaries. If O had been making he speeches he's made in the last month or so prior to the first primaries, Clinton would be the nominee. These are both people on the street and Dem campaign folks so it seems to be a good cross section of the party.

As far as policies they talk the same rhetoric but O is far more extreme in his leftist liberal leanings. I never would want Hillary but there are those in her following that view her as their version of the answer and will never back Obama. Besides Dems are more about "the person" than "real" policies. Most Dem policies are the same old same old based on "best for the children", "care for the depressed", "equality for all", etc, etc. The whole new Democratic Party is built on a Utopian platform that seeks power and has no clue what to do with it when the get it (Pelosi and Reid are fine examples of do nothing right). Dems come across as caring little about the USA just as long as the Republicans aren't running things.

Top that off with the fact Bill just doesn't like Obama and has gone as far as calling him a "Chicago Thug", and you have the other reason why the Clinton supporters won't fall in behind the Obama camp. Bill has been offended by Obama and there is a divide in the party that is still visible at the convention. Bill is the "magnet" of the "Clinton Machine" and without him, despite his gaffes, he alone gives Hillary the only real chance to be President as the "fans" feel he will actually be President in the event she gets the office.

In her speech Hillary talked with more emphasis on her own accomplishments than any serious backing of Obama. Do you really think she's going to bluntly say she wants O to win????? More what she didn't say.......

Take off the "Liberal Rose" colored glasses once in a while and you might see what others see......The Democratic Party of the last 20 or so years has digressed into something far different than the first 3/4's of the 20th century.

Never truer words have been said in these forums. If I'm a dem, then I'm wanting to impeach both of my congressional leaders as well as Bush / Cheney!

Originally Posted by Old Texan

I think many of the Clinton backers feel if O loses, Hill will be in a better position to make a serious run in 2012. This could throw a lot of votes McCain's way. Clinton is preparing an "I told ya so" campaign.

This is a bug that we should place in the ear of every Sen Clinton supporter we know.. Make sure to remind them that if Sen Obama wins this election their girl has no shot of ever being Prez...

Living and working in the LA area means I meet tons of Sen Clinton supporters. One thing I have observed is that a pretty big percentage of Sen Clinton supporters support her because they see her as the first viable female candidate for pres. Those folks would easily vote for McCain, if it helps keep their girl in the mix, esp the ones who are Blue Dog dems in the first place...

Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1

What ever you say Tex. Don't think I want to view the issues as you do or vice versa.

BTW, I listened to Hill's speech too.

I listened, (it was tough as George Carlin was on HBO with his New Jersey past performance and it had better content) and I heard what I heard.

Honestly do you really think the Clintons and Obamas are on the same page and have no animosity?

Rumor has it Bill's skipping the acceptance speech.

As far a RodnJen's FOX comment, I haven't listend to FOX in several days. My info has come from numerous websites and the radio plus analysts views at the convention. Plus my own opinion.

The Washington Post notes the friction between the groups and I beilieve the Miami Herald has labeled the Dem Convention as a "Group Therapy" session.

View it as you want folks, I have the ulterior motive that I hope it leads to Dem defeat pure and simple and could care less if they all jump in bed together or kill each other. Either way they lose and that's "A Win for America".....

Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1

This should be a minimal number

Something we can agree on.......Ain't many around here anyway and the ones with signs I don't acknowledge as they appear a little off the beaten path and hung up in the woods.