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Labor Secretary Solis.....WTF

They can help this is whats wrong with this President and the people he surrounds himself with. Instead of sending them back to their country they want to make sure that they get paid a fair wage. Next it will be drivers license's and the ability to vote.

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Originally Posted by TeamGreene

They can help this is whats wrong with this President and the people he surrounds himself with. Instead of sending them back to their country they want to make sure that they get paid a fair wage. Next it will be drivers license's and the ability to vote.

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If they are Mexican they do have the RIGHT to a fair living wage. It is a right that is written into the Mexican Constitution.
All they have to do is head on back to the paradise who's socialist Constitution grants them that right and that problem will be solved.

The BITCH needs a pink slip before the end of business TODAY!!! To use taxpayers money for a public service announcement encouraging illegals is ILLEGAL and borders on TREASON.......Fire the bitch today.........Ray

Does anyone else find it really really ODD that every single issue from top to bottom, this administration seems to be on the WRONG side of the argument and takes the OPPOSITE position that a clear thinking individual would deem "the right thing to do"???

Im totally stumped...

yep me too .... stupid.... thinking that our American people would be thinking about the rites and safety of American people first.... hummm what the F .. was I thinking...

Originally Posted by 2manymustangs

Does anyone else find it really really ODD that every single issue from top to bottom, this administration seems to be on the WRONG side of the argument and takes the OPPOSITE position that a clear thinking individual would deem "the right thing to do"???

Im totally stumped...

Don't be stumped it is just about power politics. The Dems know that more government dependency = more power for their party. Just look at the lock solid grip they have had on the parts of our cities where government dependency is highest. The bottom line is that todays Dems would rather have a strong grip of power on a weak USA than a weak share of power on a strong USA.

Originally Posted by atomickitn

yep me too .... stupid.... thinking that our American people would be thinking about the rites and safety of American people first.... hummm what the F .. was I thinking...

Yup, you'd think O was running for Prez of Mexico.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Good comments:

If the person taking the call at the toll-free number is overseas.....................- If the person taking the call is here within the US and an "undocumented" worker, is there a subset of procedures they are required to follow to "turn themselves in"?

, it was under the W administration that the DOL issued a memo stating that illegal aliens had the full protection of the DOL.

Originally Posted by SBjet

Yup, you'd think O was running for Prez of Mexico.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Good comments:

If the person taking the call at the toll-free number is overseas.....................- If the person taking the call is here within the US and an "undocumented" worker, is there a subset of procedures they are required to follow to "turn themselves in"?

, it was under the W administration that the DOL issued a memo stating that illegal aliens had the full protection of the DOL.

And your point is?

My point is 1) will someone please tell me if W first issued this memo, so we don't wrongfully rag on Obama. We have a long list of real outrages by O, and we don't want to muddy the waters.
2) I suspect that this position is legally correct; it is illegal to pay anyone below min. wage. And the DOL is legally bound to enforce it.

Originally Posted by SBjet

My point is 1) will someone please tell me if W first issued this memo, so we don't wrongfully rag on Obama. We have a long list of real outrages by O, and we don't want to muddy the waters.
2) I suspect that this position is legally correct; it is illegal to pay anyone below min. wage. And the DOL is legally bound to enforce it.

I voted for G.W. as the lesser of two evils, I knew that he is a big fan of MUXICANo illegals... Just because G.W. F'd up on issues related to the Muxicanos doesnt make it OK for Barry S. to do so...

Why should the DOL do anything less than call ICE if they get a tip off about an illegal??? What do DOL laws have to do with illegals??? Talk about muddying the waters...

Lets break it down: Illegal Alien: In law, an alien is a person in a country who is not a citizen of that country.

What do OUR labor laws have to do with THEM??? Is it not illegal for THEM to work here??? It is US vs THEM... The DOL laws matter to US as legal and law abiding citizens of the U.S.A.... Not to them as illegal aliens...

Any governmental agency should hotline any suspected illegal...

Originally Posted by 2manymustangs

What do OUR labor laws have to do with THEM??? ...

I'll assume you're against having children or adults chained to a sewing machine to work 12 hr. days, beaten if they don't.
I'm not sure where the line is to be drawn.

Originally Posted by Boss460

I guess my position is that our labor laws should cover illegals but the DoL should be required to notify authorities of the illegal status and have them deported and the employer prevented from retaining them as employees.

This is a reasonable position, certainly. The ? remains what level of reporting/enforcement is a deterrent to criminal employers vs. a deterrent to reporting by employees.
At another level it is a chicken/egg problem. Who do you go after first illegal employers or illegal immigrants?

All people in the U.S. (other than diplomats with immunity) fall under U.S. laws. However, it is illegal for them to have a job in the U.S. if they are not here legally in the first place. If an illegal alien is at a job and not making the min wage, what should happen is that the illegal worker should be seperated from the job and processed for his crimes and the employer should be charged with the crimes of hiring him and not paying him min wage.

Originally Posted by Boss460

I'll have to disagree with you here partly. The founding fathers viewed certain things as not laws but rights as human beings. The basic principles of the constitution were about the human race and not just citizens. This is the reason we fight people like Hitler that seek to exterminate an entire race of people.

Are our labor laws included in the basic principles? I personally don't think so. At least not all. Basic stuff though like forcing people to work for nothing, working them literally to death etc. yes I think should be included in those basic principles afforded to all human beings.

I guess my position is that our labor laws should cover illegals but the DoL should be required to notify authorities of the illegal status and have them deported and the employer prevented from retaining them as employees.

How and why should they cover illegals? THey shouldn't be working here in the first place... Being here THEY (the illegals) had better obey OUR traffic laws, laws about theft, laws about not shooting, stealing OR driving UNinsured unless they want a quick trip to ICE land. They should NOT be working, they are not allowed to do so as an illegal so what do our DOL laws have to do with them???

Originally Posted by SBjet

This is a reasonable position, certainly. The ? remains what level of reporting/enforcement is a deterrent to criminal employers vs. a deterrent to reporting by employees.
At another level it is a chicken/egg problem. Who do you go after first illegal employers or illegal immigrants?

BOTH and with great vigor, after all that is what ICE, police, INS, Judges, prosecutors get paid to do right? Do thier job right? OR do people in these sectors get paid for their good looks???