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    Apparently, they released a little bit of the meeting info General McCrystal had with Obama prior to being relieved of his command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavey29 View Post
    Apparently, they released a little bit of the meeting info General McCrystal had with Obama prior to being relieved of his command.
    It would be more accurate if the Barry comments had "make no mistake" and "let me be clear" 5000 times signaling his SHEEP he knows what the hell he is doing!!!!!

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    Maybe if there had been a exit plan BEFORE the war was started, we wouldn't be in the situation we are right now. History states that NO FOREIGN COUNTRY has ever won a war in Afghanistan. Aren't we suppose to learn from history?
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    I feel a PRF move comin' on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watch Me Squirt View Post
    Maybe if there had been a exit plan BEFORE the war was started, we wouldn't be in the situation we are right now. History states that NO FOREIGN COUNTRY has ever won a war in Afghanistan. Aren't we suppose to learn from history?
    Exit plans are simple though DC politicians don't understand it.....Win, take what you need and return home and tell us about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by donzi5150 View Post
    Exit plans are simple though DC politicians don't understand it.....Win, take what you need and return home and tell us about it!
    Kinda like Vietnam all over huh?
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    So TRUE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watch Me Squirt View Post
    Kinda like Vietnam all over huh?
    Politicians were all over that war restricting almost every aspect.......I don't get your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donzi5150 View Post
    Politicians were all over that war restricting almost every aspect.......I don't get your point?
    Kinda like the exact same thing going on right now................people running a war that have no clue.
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    We are being tested as a united country ( divided )....... Race needs to be left out of the scenerio and understand that that a sinking ship sees no color !
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    Quote Originally Posted by donzi5150 View Post
    Politicians were all over that war restricting almost every aspect.......I don't get your point?

    I agree and they are restricting this one even at greater levels. I am sure the CIC and Gates are making military decisions they have no business making due to lack of experience, knowledge, etc...rather then leaving it to the experts who have dedicated their lives to service for OUR Country.

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    To bad the entire page was not shown. It goes on to explain that what McCrystal did was planned, he knew what he was doing when he spoke to this particular press and not CNN, MSNBC or Fox. Some of the restriction placed on our military now are ludicrous; such as no more preditors, no more rockets taking out taliban and no more rifle fire without being threatened. I wish someone would print the entire story, not just the photo. It almost forbidden to kill a muslim

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    Its a real shame our troops are having their hands tied with such limiting rules of engagement. To many folks want war to be sanitized and perfect. As I have not fought in war, I can only imagine its intensity and confusion and to limit the response of our forces just doesn't make sense. Our leadership needs to decide to pull out and call it a day, or fight the war to win. This half-assed P.C. crap is not going to win a war and will only get additional soldiers killed. God bless our soldiers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRSTQUEST View Post
    Its a real shame our troops are having their hands tied with such limiting rules of engagement. To many folks want war to be sanitized and perfect. As I have not fought in war, I can only imagine its intensity and confusion and to limit the response of our forces just doesn't make sense. Our leadership needs to decide to pull out and call it a day, or fight the war to win. This half-assed P.C. crap is not going to win a war and will only get additional soldiers killed. God bless our soldiers!!!
    It's tough to win a war when you are trying to establish alliances with people you are killing. I have fought in wars and I have seen the downside of restictive ROE. Unfortunately, it appears we are not figting to win the war as much as the hearts and minds of tribal humans. You are correct...

    "leadership needs to decide to pull out and call it a day, or fight the war to win."

    Nothing more frustrating for a warfighter than to have his/her hands tied. This could be a winnable war. Question for leadership is do you want to win and at what cost?

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