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    Default Ruh Roh....prelim findings show drivers at fault

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...4353:b35630176

    Latest Walls Street Journal article shows independant testing of Toyota data - drivers seem to be having the Audi 4000 delusion.

    The DOT simply cant find any problems.

    Third party analysis of the black box data shows them stepping on the GAS - NOT the brake.

    Look at the "complaint chart" raise and fall. Ok the floormat thing is one thing, and could there have been a problem or two- sure but the endemic problem simply doesnt seem to exist and more accurately if you crash your car the excuse de-jour was "the car did it".

    Remember back in the Audi cases how many things had to happen ....

    1. The brake system "fails" completely - but magically returns to normal after the accident with no tampering.

    2. The acelerator "sticks wide open , or opens up all the way without me touching it " - but again msyteriously returns completely to normal after the accident.

    Lets show some accountability for our own actions people.

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    If this holds up and plays out true, I wonder if our idiots in DC will have another congressional hearing to apologize for lambasting the CEO of Toyota?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    If this holds up and plays out true, I wonder if our idiots in DC will have another congressional hearing to apologize for lambasting the CEO of Toyota?
    Ya right, somebody....anybody in government admit they made a mistake?
    What planet do yo live on? Opps....planet Utard....never mind

    And actually, in their narrow little minds they probably think they did some
    great service by giving the big 3 a little boost in sales when they needed it most.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sold honda.bought hondo View Post
    Ya right, somebody....anybody in government admit they made a mistake?
    What planet do yo live on? Opps....planet Utard....never mind

    And actually, in their narrow little minds they probably think they did some
    great service by giving the big 3 a little boost in sales when they needed it most.....
    Now, Now...easy there big guy...I may live here but I'm still a California beach kid at heart!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Now, Now...easy there big guy...I may live here but I'm still a California beach kid at heart!!!!
    Aw....just funnin ya

    Ca? Me too, born and raised in orange county.....also lived in salt lake 25 years......didn't realize what a different world utah was until i move to havasu.
    "A liberal paradise would be a place where everybody has
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    And anyone is surprised by this? computers do what they are told.

    It was a bandwagon thing people thought they could get money for that crap as usual, unfortunately a few people died as a result of the floor mat causing the pedal to stick. But then again how many people pay attention to their cars enough to notice the pedal might stick if the floor mat is out of place. Some people just don't have the common sense to look at that stuff once in a while.

    There have been several instances of cars supposedly leaping forward, brakes not working, gas pedals sticking... what has been the common denominator over the years.... Human error. what a focking waste of time and money for everyone., just because someone wanted someone else to blame for their ignorance, lack of attention or just stupidity.
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    This should get pretty interesting if anyone takes the time to ferret out fraudualent claims. Toyota's image took a pretty firm shot and if it was all based on fraud or plain stupidity, they damned sure have the right to hunt somebody down and "gut" them.

    Gonna be hard to do and proving the tests and follow up aren't flawed will be tough on top of it all.
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    I can't buy it. I can't buy it. Not for a second.
    I was in the street and my brother was the one to turn off a vehicle that threw it's driver into the road and continued on a rampage through an embankment and ended up high centered on a post. The vehicle was bouncing off of the rev limiter in gear. I inspected it before it was shut off and after. There was NO FLOORMAT INTERFERENCE AT ALL!!! The throttle was friggin STUCK WIDE OPEN!
    I had a chance to meet a filthy wealthy man and speak with him about reality in the world of big business. I mentioned something about the latest tests I had heard. He immediately stopped me and said simply; "The latest and greatest tests will show exactly what my money tells it to show."
    93 dead because of a floormat? Nope. Can't buy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Texan View Post
    This should get pretty interesting if anyone takes the time to ferret out fraudualent claims. Toyota's image took a pretty firm shot and if it was all based on fraud or plain stupidity, they damned sure have the right to hunt somebody down and "gut" them.

    Gonna be hard to do and proving the tests and follow up aren't flawed will be tough on top of it all.

    Agreed, thing is in these tests they were conducted by the DOT not toyota.

    DOT demanded the proprietary data reader and toyota very reluctantly complied, but comply they did, and the independent findings show the drivers have been at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabe View Post
    I can't buy it. I can't buy it. Not for a second.
    I was in the street and my brother was the one to turn off a vehicle that threw it's driver into the road and continued on a rampage through an embankment and ended up high centered on a post. The vehicle was bouncing off of the rev limiter in gear. I inspected it before it was shut off and after. There was NO FLOORMAT INTERFERENCE AT ALL!!! The throttle was friggin STUCK WIDE OPEN!
    I had a chance to meet a filthy wealthy man and speak with him about reality in the world of big business. I mentioned something about the latest tests I had heard. He immediately stopped me and said simply; "The latest and greatest tests will show exactly what my money tells it to show."
    93 dead because of a floormat? Nope. Can't buy it!

    Have any posts/pics/photos of this?

    Practically every toyota incident was documented -
    What did the documentation say about your incident

    Did the brakes fail too and magically and return to normal after the accident?

    Just like in the case of the Audi - the third party data shows the driver at fault standing on the wrong pedal.

    the DOT, GM, and NASA have been looking at this and if they found anything wrong with the toyota engine management systems we would ALL know immediately.



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    Ever notice the nerdy democrat lookin' milquetoast types driving Toyota Prieus?These helpless dumb asses paid way too much for an underpowered ugly turd just so they would feel OK about driving around. No surprise to me that these ferns can't even drive the electric hybrid turd properly. Again Darwinism is evident.

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    Yes, I see this a lot & a prius is ugly.

    I also see people that can drive anything they want - driving them.

    Not being a "compact car" kind of guy I prefer to ride in much more style comfort and thus pay more for gas.

    If I had a 75 mile a day commute I might think otherwise but until then.......

    I cant imagine picking up the VP I did at Universal today in a Prius.

    Thing is regardless of what you or I think of the vehicle, its a commercial success.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Ever notice the nerdy democrat lookin' milquetoast types driving Toyota Prieus?These helpless dumb asses paid way too much for an underpowered ugly turd just so they would feel OK about driving around. No surprise to me that these ferns can't even drive the electric hybrid turd properly. Again Darwinism is evident.

    Actually I know quite a few conservatives who drive Prius's (and I agree they are ugly) only because of getting 40 to 50 MPG. PapaG here on the forums has 2, last I heard.

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    Did Satan and God want us to power our vehicles with electricity or petroleum ? Think about this.
    God made lightning with awesome power. My wizard chick friend told me that lightning is a defense mechanism that prevents aliens from space invading the planet. She also told me Satan made crude oil, Lots and Lots of it. He and God enabled us to use crude oil to power our vehicles and other purposes. It has no other use except to man. Crude oil is Satan's gift to us.
    This wizard chick knows her shit!

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