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    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt
    - recession
    - employment
    - wars
    - gulf oil spill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt (better because we wouldn't have the cost of Obamacare)
    - recession (same)
    - employment (same)
    - wars (possibly a bit better)
    - gulf oil spill (definitely a better response and involvement)
    Honest answers above. But it's really just guessing since they didn't win.

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    It's pure speculation, of course, but the first three topics would almost have to grouped as they directly influence each other. (Well, they all do in a way, but the first three for this discussion)
    I think that strictly on ideology, they would have to be better off than right now. Worse than 2 years ago, most likely, but still better than at this moment due to the stimulus spending that occurred?
    You left out the HC bill, but I think that the absence of that would have left more time and attention for the economy. As it is, the HC bill is exacerbating the recession due to companies looking to scrimp even more, leading to further pay cuts, withholdings, and lay offs.
    The Wars, I can't really guess. They are a mess for sure, and political maneuvering that would have occurred is anybody's guess?

    The Spill, I believe that the catastrophe would have been made less of a political opportunity that it has been turned into.
    IE: Perhaps more help would have been accepted initially in skimming and recovery while waiting for the well to be cemented.
    BP would possibly have been less villianized on the hill and focused more on the well, with the grandstanding from the WH minimized until after the well is fixed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt Better
    - recession Much worse
    - employment Much worse
    - wars Same
    - gulf oil spill Same
    Just the way I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt- same- cheaper stimulous package, but less taxation.
    - recession- worse-less resrtictive laws on Wall Street.
    - employment- same- less stimulous created jobs, but more business-created jobs
    - wars- better-No lame-ass Afghanistan Ambassador.
    - gulf oil spill-same- but less $$$ from BP to those affected.
    Just my opinion. I think overall, not a lot would be different right now. I suspect in 2014, this difference will be much more apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Just the way I see it.
    How can the debt be better if recession and employment is worse?
    You must be thinking directly about stimulus spending??
    As recession worsens, debt MUST escalate as more costs to support the citizens increases, coupled with less generation of revenue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt
    - recession
    - employment
    - wars
    - gulf oil spill
    I was going to let a little more time go by before answering but I'm on a lunch break and have a moment to post.

    Debt:

    I think McCain would be a little better in this regard, but not a lot. McCain and I are aligned, with respect to a conservative financial view, but I think McCain's commitment to Iraq would hinder an otherwise positive influence on the national finances.

    Recession:

    I suspect things would be about the same, or maybe a wee bit better with McCain. For whatever reason, cash seems to flow more freely with a Republican at the helm. Many of those reasons are psychological but real, all the same. Still, it's going to be a tough road for a while, regardless of who is in power.

    Employment:

    I expect it would be about the same as it is now. The reduced stimulus would probably be offset by slightly more free business spending.


    Wars:

    McCain's commitment to Iraq and escalating the search for Osama Bin Laden which undoubtedly would bring increased military activity in Afghanistan, would be extremely unpopular right now. Sure, the right wing extremists in here would love reading the body count on TV every day but most people were sick of war and McCain was advocating an escalation.

    Also, wars are spendy so it would have reduced money for domestic stimulus. Personally, I think domestic stimulus is a low value use of money so I'd do a little, but not a lot.


    Oil Spill:

    Same. What do you expect? ... someone to go out with a mop and bucket?



    Other programs:

    It seems clear McCain would have cut other programs to pay for military spending and also to try to balance the books. In addition, he would have undoubtedly raised taxes at some point, just as the Obama administration will. It just has to happen. 2 + 2 simply does not equal 17.
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    The PR forums would be a lot slower...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OutCole'd View Post
    The PR forums would be a lot slower...
    Maybe. Maybe the liberals would be on here with every post starting with "I hate McCain because...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uminchu View Post
    Maybe the liberals would be on here with every post starting with "I hate McCain because...."
    That would happen but not here. The west coast boating community is a pretty strong Republican strong hold. There are a lot more independents and Democrats than are represented in here but they are definitely in the extreme minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Brown View Post
    How much better do you suppose the United States would be at this point in time if McCain and Palin had won?

    It would be nice if you'd address the following items specifically:

    - debt
    - recession
    - employment
    - wars
    - gulf oil spill
    The debt situation would be slightly better in that McCain would have spent a little less the last 2 yrs. However the future debt problem would be VASTLY better in that McCain would not have made the huge commitments to future spending that O has.

    The recession would be about the same, except that unemployment would be at 8% instead of 10% because the health care plan would not have passed. There would be less uncertainty for biz as to their future costs. Also the Bush tax cuts expiring.............. dunno yet.

    Wars would be about the same. Dems are entitled to scream about how O has come over to McCain.

    Gulf oil spill would still have happened. The response might have been better, McCain would have taken help from all those extra ships. McCain was in the Navy, he must know something about ships.
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    Debt- A little better
    Recession- Better
    Employement- Better
    Wars- Same
    Oil Spill-Same

    In short, we would still be going all to Hell. But we would be going there more slowly.
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    Debt- Probably less debt as a result of stimulus more debt due to massive unemployment - overall worse.

    Recession - worse

    Employement - many more unemployed due to likely collapse of the financial markets

    Wars - not much different

    Oil Spill-probably the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodnJen View Post
    Wars - not much different
    What about McCain's promise to stay in Iraq? I take it you don't think he would have followed through with it?

    ... or do you think the Iraqi conflict has basically run it's course and would have ended up in a similar situation as current, regardless of tactics?

    ... or other?

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