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    Did anyone see Christie on The Morning Rag? I love this guy. Voters are always sympathetic to teachers but he exposes them for the "me first" mentality with facts in this case. I have an old highschool friend who is a teacher in New Jersey. She can't stand him. I applaud him!

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    Good video. He's dead on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redneckcharlie View Post
    Good video. He's dead on!
    I thought so!


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    Should some professions really be exempt from economic recessions/depressions? Heaven knows the politicians are but it's my opinion that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Since the American taxpayer, who pays these teacher's salaries isn't exempt from economic conditions, these teachers should not be either.

    Here in Arizona they just passed a one cent sales tax increase (temporary, they promised) using "the payment of teacher's salaries" for their poster children. In reality not even 1/2 of this money will go to education and way less actually goes to the teachers themselves. In our state, there is now one administrator to every single teacher for heaven's sakes. Why not demand they fix that problem before asking us to fund another failed system. Oh, it's run by the government, thats why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Should some professions really be exempt from economic recessions/depressions? Heaven knows the politicians are but it's my opinion that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Since the American taxpayer, who pays these teacher's salaries isn't exempt from economic conditions, these teachers should not be either.

    Here in Arizona they just passed a one cent sales tax increase (temporary, they promised) using "the payment of teacher's salaries" for their poster children. In reality not even 1/2 of this money will go to education and way less actually goes to the teachers themselves. In our state, there is now one administrator to every single teacher for heaven's sakes. Why not demand they fix that problem before asking us to fund another failed system. Oh, it's run by the government, thats why.
    My high school buddy paid 100K to send his daughter to ASU and she graduated a few years ago. She is a teacher in the Phoenix area. She makes 27K a year. Is that enough to live on in AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havasu1986 View Post
    My high school buddy paid 100K to send his daughter to ASU and she graduated a few years ago. She is a teacher in the Phoenix area. She makes 27K a year. Is that enough to live on in AZ.
    27K a "year". Is this before or after taxes? Amazes me that they even call it a year. With summer and every 2 bit vacation day imaginable I'd be surprised if they actually work a full 8 months.
    What does 27K come to when you add in all the benefits?

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    That's the point. Same in all Govn. Money waisted at the top. Never gets to where it should be. Same in foreign aide. Not enough get's to the right place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havasu1986 View Post
    My high school buddy paid 100K to send his daughter to ASU and she graduated a few years ago. She is a teacher in the Phoenix area. She makes 27K a year. Is that enough to live on in AZ.
    I'll say two things (since you are baiting me more than really wanting an answer, IMO)

    1: I have dozens of friends who are teachers in Arizona, all of whom own their own home, raised their families and enjoyed life at the level they chose. Many are now retired and enjoying those fruits from their chosen profession. All of them knew how much they could earn going into this profession. Most knew before they chose that path and enrolled in their schooling for such. I know of none of them who were surprised to find out what their salaries were before accepting their jobs. If your buddy who paid the $100K didn't know what teachers got paid, I say shame on him. I'll bet you he knew quite well and supported his daughter's decision to make a life of teaching possible.

    2: In Arizona, we have a very skewed system where administration is extremely overloaded. Whoever on earth decided it would be wise to have as many administrators as teachers was sadly mistaken. These administrators have a salary, many times twice or more of that of the teachers. This is a disaster in my opinion. The bulk of education expenses should always go to compensate the teachers themselves. So, in my perfect world, we'd have small - competent administrations with well compensated non-union teachers. I saw you flinch at the union remark so I'll explain it clearly and slowly. I sincerely believe all teachers (and workers everywhere) should be compensated on a scale of performance that can easily be measured by the success/production of their work. Unions believe otherwise for some strange reason. I had lots of teachers in my personal education and some of them were simply filling a space, doing the bare minimum to receive their pay while many others performed a labor of love that produced well educated students, acknowledged individual traits, helped to develop specific skills demonstrated by the differing students and, most importantly, recognized problem areas in some of their students, where some of their best performances came to the forefront and made huge - life-changing differences. They deserve compensation for this extra effort, in my humble opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    I'll say two things (since you are baiting me more than really wanting an answer, IMO)
    Baiting you as well as playing fast and loose with the figures....again. Best I could find the base salary for teachers in the PHX area is between $33k-$37k PLUS benefits, which bring the actual salary close to $50k....for 8 months work.

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    If it twern't fer dem thar teashers da gibberis 75 TX putts on dis site wood relly be hrd too unerstan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    If it twern't fer dem thar teashers da gibberis 75 TX putts on dis site wood relly be hrd too unerstan.
    you're just as dumb as they come homeless. I speak jibberish? Have you ever looked at your own posts? And no, not just this one where you're trying to look like an imbicile (not that hard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    I'll say two things (since you are baiting me more than really wanting an answer, IMO)

    1: I have dozens of friends who are teachers in Arizona, all of whom own their own home, raised their families and enjoyed life at the level they chose. Many are now retired and enjoying those fruits from their chosen profession. All of them knew how much they could earn going into this profession. Most knew before they chose that path and enrolled in their schooling for such. I know of none of them who were surprised to find out what their salaries were before accepting their jobs. If your buddy who paid the $100K didn't know what teachers got paid, I say shame on him. I'll bet you he knew quite well and supported his daughter's decision to make a life of teaching possible.

    2: In Arizona, we have a very skewed system where administration is extremely overloaded. Whoever on earth decided it would be wise to have as many administrators as teachers was sadly mistaken. These administrators have a salary, many times twice or more of that of the teachers. This is a disaster in my opinion. The bulk of education expenses should always go to compensate the teachers themselves. So, in my perfect world, we'd have small - competent administrations with well compensated non-union teachers. I saw you flinch at the union remark so I'll explain it clearly and slowly. I sincerely believe all teachers (and workers everywhere) should be compensated on a scale of performance that can easily be measured by the success/production of their work. Unions believe otherwise for some strange reason. I had lots of teachers in my personal education and some of them were simply filling a space, doing the bare minimum to receive their pay while many others performed a labor of love that produced well educated students, acknowledged individual traits, helped to develop specific skills demonstrated by the differing students and, most importantly, recognized problem areas in some of their students, where some of their best performances came to the forefront and made huge - life-changing differences. They deserve compensation for this extra effort, in my humble opinion.
    Is 27K enough to live comfortably on in AZ, was the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Is 27K enough to live comfortably on in AZ, was the question.
    Just finished college and is starting on a career? Yes it is for 9-10 months of work a year. That's a starting salary. She's probably only 22-23. When I started in my profession, I made hardly anything. I've worked hard over 30 years and now make an extremely good living. As she progresses, she'll make well over 50K for 9-10 months of work. Why do you think she should be making enough to buy a house with a pool, Porsche, and a huge portfolio when she just started her career?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1 View Post
    Is 27K enough to live comfortably on in AZ, was the question.
    Is the 27k figure another misrepresentation by h'86 should be question #1. I think he's full of shitt. Looked into it last night and found no school teaching positions public or private for less than $33k to start....PLUS BENEFITS. For 8 months work.

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