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Medical Marijuana Issue

Originally Posted by WTDecker

Typical BS. Not to hard to figure out the BS here, I'll leave it at that.

Really? Care to point it out? better yet....I have almost 100 parolees in one of my centers right now, would you like to come ask them?

Originally Posted by sdpm

Is Rex Marine thinking about going into the pot selling business? Might not be a bad idea.

billet throttle sticks that 2nd as bongs

lmao brilliant way to double biz

Originally Posted by donzi5150

I have commented on this subject many times and have gotten blasted by some of my friends on here as well as others.......so here we go.

I work in the CJ side of things……The company I work for has contracts all over the country and with many CJ departments at many different levels. I have several Substance Abuse Therapists that work for me and they do thousands of S/A assessments every year which I or my managers review regularly. I am going to go out on a limb and say that 95% plus of all that we do started with pot. I know many are going to lash out at the dangers of alcohol and I will get to that in a minute. The common thread is once they cross over and accept or rationalize that I got away with smoking pot then it opens their exposed “criminal thinking” to other options. That is the problem which research supports.
With regards to Medical Marijuana……..do you know what these people go in for to get these fraudulent scrips? Do you know how many times I have asked them if they went to a legitimate doctor and followed the traditional treatment first? 99% say no, why? Do you know that the THC pill gives the same medical effect as smoking but without the high? Should not that be the proper outcome and option if someone of non criminal thinking that is truly seeking help or relief for a chronic disease instead of having a disease for the chronic? Why is the THC pill refused by these who seek the scrip? Because it is not about helping a problem, it is about a legal high.

Do you know that pot stays in your system for 30 days? If you are in a fatal wreck and they draw blood and THC is detected you can be convicted on the more serious charge due to the drug in your system?

I did a presentation about a year ago and I googled all the pot dispensaries in Sacramento…..I found 39, do you know how many Walgreens I found for all the thousands of other drugs that the whole population uses? 16. Does that sound proportionate under a profitable business model on such a small segment of society? Now add that in CA these dispensaries are limited on many things such as sales and profit…….so I ask again, why does someone go into business? If there are caps on profit and limitations how are so many in businesses? Doctored books perhaps on illegal sales? And a step further, why is legitimate pharmacies with highly trained pharmacists and techs not doing this?

Alcohol….legal……can be a problem. There is a difference, many more millions drink alcohol and don’t cross over to doing something illegal….only a very slim portion of drinkers do criminal things and don’t cross to other illegal substances. When someone crosses over to using alcohol in an illegal manor we as a society have many measures to prevent and punish and normal thinking folks understand that deterrent factor and don’t cross that line. People who are thinking criminally like smoking pot are doing just that, thinking criminally.

Statistic: When someone uses drugs they commit 3 to 5 crimes on average……1. Purchase it 2. Possess it and 3 use it. Did they bag up? Distribute? Sell? Look out? Make a few calls for the dealer? Steal? Rob? What? Now I know many are going to say….I have a good job and bought my own……wow, something to be proud of.
I asked my buddy 26 awhile back on this subject when he defended it….and I asked him if he wanted his new granddaughter to be a pot head when she grew up? He was offended, why? Because he did not want that and once you as a parent or society condone it then it is accepted as right. I had a 27 year old female in a program a couple of years ago and she was saying sincerely that she did not know why she used heroin. Yes she used everything else first to get there…..but then we pulled out how at 10 years old her mother taught her how to juice the needle and tie off her arm and how to watch over her if she passed out. This is no different than any other substance to include alcohol or cigarettes. You teach it and most likely it will be followed. Is that what you really want? Who is supposed to teach what is right and what is wrong? Parents are the primary period.
I have many friends that are Dr’s or Nurses…….do you know the number one client in most non criminal drug treatment facility is? Medical professionals. Do you want a doc who partied all weekend cutting on you Monday Morning? I don’t think any of you will say yes? If he or she screws up and hurts you and you sue would you want a toxicology report if it was available to justify fault? Would be a big paycheck if you were in back surgery and the doc was fu*ked up from the weekend and clipped a nerve and you are now paralyzed. Does this ever happen? Yes……..ever proven, no. why?

A car accident happens and your child is killed and the cop does not request blood…..would you be happy? Ok? You would not want to punish the SOB who just killed your baby girl? If they had used medical THC and it was a factor would you ask the DA to no push for an enhanced penalty due to being under the influence? Or as a parent would you seek everything to punish this low life?

Last thought, when I get a release and ask these prescribing doc (joke) how much is supposed to be smoked and what level the substance should be maintained in the system so that we can test for abuse or additional use. They will never provide it, why? A legitimate Doc and can tell us that 2 vicodin a day at 500milligrams is at this level and a lab can determine levels above or below to determine the proper use of the intended prescription.

I will leave it there for now……..

I like to rely on FACTS rather then wild speculation and personal opinions:

Myths and Facts About Marijuana

Sorry Mike. Thought I would lighten up the mood just a bit

Originally Posted by sdpm

Is Rex Marine thinking about going into the pot selling business? Might not be a bad idea.

He can just change the name to RX marine

Originally Posted by donzi5150

I have commented on this subject many times and have gotten blasted by some of my friends on here as well as others.......so here we go.

I work in the CJ side of things……The company I work for has contracts all over the country and with many CJ departments at many different levels. I have several Substance Abuse Therapists that work for me and they do thousands of S/A assessments every year which I or my managers review regularly. I am going to go out on a limb and say that 95% plus of all that we do started with pot. I know many are going to lash out at the dangers of alcohol and I will get to that in a minute. The common thread is once they cross over and accept or rationalize that I got away with smoking pot then it opens their exposed “criminal thinking” to other options. That is the problem which research supports.
With regards to Medical Marijuana……..do you know what these people go in for to get these fraudulent scrips? Do you know how many times I have asked them if they went to a legitimate doctor and followed the traditional treatment first? 99% say no, why? Do you know that the THC pill gives the same medical effect as smoking but without the high? Should not that be the proper outcome and option if someone of non criminal thinking that is truly seeking help or relief for a chronic disease instead of having a disease for the chronic? Why is the THC pill refused by these who seek the scrip? Because it is not about helping a problem, it is about a legal high.

Do you know that pot stays in your system for 30 days? If you are in a fatal wreck and they draw blood and THC is detected you can be convicted on the more serious charge due to the drug in your system?

I did a presentation about a year ago and I googled all the pot dispensaries in Sacramento…..I found 39, do you know how many Walgreens I found for all the thousands of other drugs that the whole population uses? 16. Does that sound proportionate under a profitable business model on such a small segment of society? Now add that in CA these dispensaries are limited on many things such as sales and profit…….so I ask again, why does someone go into business? If there are caps on profit and limitations how are so many in businesses? Doctored books perhaps on illegal sales? And a step further, why is legitimate pharmacies with highly trained pharmacists and techs not doing this?

Alcohol….legal……can be a problem. There is a difference, many more millions drink alcohol and don’t cross over to doing something illegal….only a very slim portion of drinkers do criminal things and don’t cross to other illegal substances. When someone crosses over to using alcohol in an illegal manor we as a society have many measures to prevent and punish and normal thinking folks understand that deterrent factor and don’t cross that line. People who are thinking criminally like smoking pot are doing just that, thinking criminally.

Statistic: When someone uses drugs they commit 3 to 5 crimes on average……1. Purchase it 2. Possess it and 3 use it. Did they bag up? Distribute? Sell? Look out? Make a few calls for the dealer? Steal? Rob? What? Now I know many are going to say….I have a good job and bought my own……wow, something to be proud of.
I asked my buddy 26 awhile back on this subject when he defended it….and I asked him if he wanted his new granddaughter to be a pot head when she grew up? He was offended, why? Because he did not want that and once you as a parent or society condone it then it is accepted as right. I had a 27 year old female in a program a couple of years ago and she was saying sincerely that she did not know why she used heroin. Yes she used everything else first to get there…..but then we pulled out how at 10 years old her mother taught her how to juice the needle and tie off her arm and how to watch over her if she passed out. This is no different than any other substance to include alcohol or cigarettes. You teach it and most likely it will be followed. Is that what you really want? Who is supposed to teach what is right and what is wrong? Parents are the primary period.
I have many friends that are Dr’s or Nurses…….do you know the number one client in most non criminal drug treatment facility is? Medical professionals. Do you want a doc who partied all weekend cutting on you Monday Morning? I don’t think any of you will say yes? If he or she screws up and hurts you and you sue would you want a toxicology report if it was available to justify fault? Would be a big paycheck if you were in back surgery and the doc was fu*ked up from the weekend and clipped a nerve and you are now paralyzed. Does this ever happen? Yes……..ever proven, no. why?

A car accident happens and your child is killed and the cop does not request blood…..would you be happy? Ok? You would not want to punish the SOB who just killed your baby girl? If they had used medical THC and it was a factor would you ask the DA to no push for an enhanced penalty due to being under the influence? Or as a parent would you seek everything to punish this low life?

Last thought, when I get a release and ask these prescribing doc (joke) how much is supposed to be smoked and what level the substance should be maintained in the system so that we can test for abuse or additional use. They will never provide it, why? A legitimate Doc and can tell us that 2 vicodin a day at 500milligrams is at this level and a lab can determine levels above or below to determine the proper use of the intended prescription.

I will leave it there for now……..

I would like to see the links to these facts you are saying.
How about if the Dr. doing a surgery on your baby girl just found out his wife of 30 years is banging some guy. Do you want him to do the surgery???
As far as asking 26 that question that is not a fair question. I have done things my parents would never have done. Does this mean my parents were bad parents??? NO... I make the decision for my life just as my kids will with theirs. I got news for you these people you say started with weed would have started with something else. They are addicts.
20 years ago I know there was a lot of mom and pop pharmacy's around but corporate America took over. Hell do you remember before home depot and lowes were everywhere it use to be true value hardware and mom and pop hardware stores everywhere. Just wait till Marlboro takes over the weed market. It will be in every gas station and liquor store.

Originally Posted by plaster dave

I would like to see the links to these facts you are saying.
How about if the Dr. doing a surgery on your baby girl just found out his wife of 30 years is banging some guy. Do you want him to do the surgery???
As far as asking 26 that question that is not a fair question. I have done things my parents would never have done. Does this mean my parents were bad parents??? NO... I make the decision for my life just as my kids will with theirs. I got news for you these people you say started with weed would have started with something else. They are addicts.
20 years ago I know there was a lot of mom and pop pharmacy's around but corporate America took over. Hell do you remember before home depot and lowes were everywhere it use to be true value hardware and mom and pop hardware stores everywhere. Just wait till Marlboro takes over the weed market. It will be in every gas station and liquor store.

Dave,

If my granddaughter decides to smoke weed, I hope it isn't until she is old enough to understand what she's doing. I know that her Mother, Father, Grandmother and I will do everything we can to properly educate her in this regard. Really little else anyone can do.

WOW reading thread this has made me want a really large bowl of Captain Crunch !

Originally Posted by Ultra26 # 1

Dave,

If my granddaughter decides to smoke weed, I hope it isn't until she is old enough to understand what she's doing. I know that her Mother, Father, Grandmother and I will do everything we can to properly educate her in this regard. Really little else anyone can do.

For 26 and all the nay sayers....Hope she is old enough to understand what? And what would you have to educate her on if it is so good? Pot has 1000X the harmful toxins than cigarettes, yet you guys in CA have all but banned and taxed them out of existence......no one sees the hypocrisy?

As for my original post the facts can be googled easily if you truly care to find the truth.....as far as the personal experience I have cited....My offices deal with close to 2000 parolees and probationers yearly......it’s not a blame thing as someone cited, it’s a validated assessment through interviewing the person and working through the progression of use.....simple to determine through proper questioning. Any are welcome to visit a site and see the damage....PM if you want to see the results. If someone want s me to walk them through the facts personally….again PM me.