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    When I take off from a stop, there is a hard tug from the trailer. I know it the hydraulic surge brake releasing at the tongue. Is there anyway to eliminate this? I am towing with a 1500HD, trailer is a 25 ft tandem Extreme. I have owned several boats with brakes and have experienced this with all of them. Is this common?

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    on my trailers with surge brakes I notice the more level or nose down,the more jerking...if I raise the ball height I get almost none..that crap drives me nuts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmannick View Post
    When I take off from a stop, there is a hard tug from the trailer. I know it the hydraulic surge brake releasing at the tongue. Is there anyway to eliminate this? I am towing with a 1500HD, trailer is a 25 ft tandem Extreme. I have owned several boats with brakes and have experienced this with all of them. Is this common?
    Yes. and surge brakes have been outlawed in many States in the past few years

    The new system uses a standard electronic brake controler and wiring

    And the surge brake is replaced with a electro-hydraulic unit to supply pressure to the trailer wheels

    You end up with a fully adjustable system from the dash

    No more brake overheating on long down hills from the trailer riding the surge brake

    Just plug in the 7-way light cord and away you go
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    Never heard of the electronic conversion have to look into that. The only way I have found to eliminate the surge is to idle forward to "take up the slack" and them go. Or really ease into it. But it does seem normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmannick View Post
    Never heard of the electronic conversion have to look into that. The only way I have found to eliminate the surge is to idle forward to "take up the slack" and them go. Or really ease into it. But it does seem normal.
    I own a truck and trailer shop and work mostly air brakes on large semi-truck and trailers But a few of my customers have a few smaller bobtails that pull trailers set up with surge brakes

    We have had to shit can quite a few surge brakes units and update them

    My customer are required to pull into the weigh scales in all States

    It's really a simple conversion to make and is legal in all 50 States

    Capitol Clutch and Brake in West Sacramento,Ca Has what you need and can anwser any questions

    916-371-5970
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    Thanks for the info on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike58 View Post
    on my trailers with surge brakes I notice the more level or nose down,the more jerking...if I raise the ball height I get almost none..that crap drives me nuts...
    Agreed. Having an adjustable hitch is nice for this very reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSteve View Post
    Yes. and surge brakes have been outlawed in many States in the past few years

    What States?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrHW View Post
    What States?
    The info I have is

    NV rules for a commerical truck pulling a surge brake trailer No

    Pvt non- commerical ok

    It always best to call the states Highway Patrol for rules and oversize load permits in advance
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    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmannick View Post
    When I take off from a stop, there is a hard tug from the trailer. I know it the hydraulic surge brake releasing at the tongue. Is there anyway to eliminate this? I am towing with a 1500HD, trailer is a 25 ft tandem Extreme. I have owned several boats with brakes and have experienced this with all of them. Is this common?
    What type do you have? external master cylinder? Internal? I know older ones have a shock absorber in them, my old boat the shock took a shyt replaced it and it made a world of difference. It's a tiny golf cart type shock. I don't have much experience with the surge brakes which are hidden in the tongue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmannick View Post
    Never heard of the electronic conversion have to look into that. The only way I have found to eliminate the surge is to idle forward to "take up the slack" and them go. Or really ease into it. But it does seem normal.
    I have electric over hydraulic and will NEVER go back. It's very smooth, and 100% controlable. Mine is a Carlisle actuator with a Tekonsha Prodigy P3 controller, but there are others out there.

    Trailer Brake Actuators::Carlisle Industrial Brake and Friction

    These guys were the cheapest I found on Carlisle:
    Electronic Brake Systems..your high tech source

    Etrailer has quite a few to chose from:
    Electric-Hydraulic Brake Actuator Trailer Brakes | etrailer.com

    Some of the newer actuators even have a surge controller with the actuator, in case you don't want to mount one in the cab. I personally like being able to control the brakes from the cab, but the trailer option would allow anyone to tow your boat without a controller needed.
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