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    where this thread has gone? amazing, simply FN amazing. and just when i think ive seen and read it all.

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    To help get this topic back on track, I just want to share a little info that I just learned the hard way. I destroyed a set of dogs at Bakersfield in September. When we tore the v-drive apart I found that the shift dog had warn a groove into the shift fork caused by having a constant pressure on the shift dog when in gear. When I put the new dogs in (won't mention any names) the person told me to set the shift mechanism up so that when in gear the dogs just come together (completely mate up). The person told me you do not want the shift fork pushing on the dog causing the inner dog to compress. You want them to be fully engaged and that's it. Probably as clear as mud, my bad!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. V-Driver View Post
    Attn: Steve-O, FYI, I was at the GYM at the time MR. TOM posted. You can have Rex1 do an IP search and YOU will see that it is NOT me behind another screen name! (WOW, SHOCK!)

    You definately owe me an apology on that one!!!

    The person that told the story I believe was just waiting for something like this, Sorry the truth hurts about your hero!

    I didn't bash no one, just clearified that his parts are NOT our parts and in return you and a few others wanted to get the popcorn out, give me heck and watch a lot of Man Drama go on.

    Does Gaston Chevrolet JR. and Henry Ford Jr. get this abuse in a HOTROD forum, I think NOT! Maybe cause I'm 40 yrs. old and your older than me you got no respect???

    My Grandpa, Dad, and a lot of old timers, Gene Deaver, Harold Kindsvater, Bob at Glenwood, Teague Performance, Wilkes Marine, Ron Braaksma, John Force Racing, Eddie Hill, Proud Mary, etc...the list goes on.....Love the Casale Family, knows about me and what I do. Promote the Family business, Stand Up for the family business and continue to keep the family business going with the tride and true Quality of Casale parts that have lasted 4 generations.

    My Brother Drew and I are the Legacy of Casale and we're not afraid to Stand Up for our Rights. We both are on the pc, so you might want to address the both of us.

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    First off, I'm a nobody. I'm just a guy that enjoys driving flatties.

    Now to my point...

    You and your family deserve a lot of respect for what you have given to the sport. There is no doubt about that.

    However, you have competition that makes very SIMILAR products to yours that do a fine job. You should be able to accept that.

    There are many guys on here that are plumbers, electricians, builders, machinists, etc that compete in the same market as other members on the boards. You do not see them badgering each other and talking shit about each others businesses.

    SO WHY DO YOU??


    This Beaver guy has not responded to your posts. He has been a man about it even though you and "Mr. Tom" have put his products and services down. I hope that you ("Mr. Tom") realize that false information on the internet can put a small-company out of business in an instant. Remember, this is how the guy makes a living and puts food on his table.

    Again, I don't know ANYBODY on these boards personally. I don't know Beaver from Adam. I'm just trying to bring light to the situation.

    I'm Done now...

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    come on guys,can't we all just get along?

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    Adjust the shifter so it dont put pressure on the dog? Noooooooooooooo way, getoutatown. Lol

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    [QUOTE=Mr. V-Driver;914328]Both the "Whirlaway" and "Swirlaway" are Trademarked, Patent and Owned by Casale Engineering!

    For the clarification of those of us who don't understand the Trademark, patent claim, was this name trademarked before "whirlaway" the Triple crown winner from the 1940s, the "Whirlaway corporation", or the surface cleaner "Whirlaway" brand? If it wasn't, you have a problem. When was the patent issued?

    I suppose I should apologize for not understanding someone's "legacy", but that isn't what this misguided topic is about. It is more about improperly bashing another companies product and then using what has been a very successful Cassale V-drive product name to support a false claim.

    Mr. V-Driver, I see you are an engineer. What is your engineering degree in and what school?

    I have not seen anyone criticizing the Cassale V-Drive gearbox. Actually most of us have pretty high regards for the Cassale V-Drive product and have said as much.

    It is the "legacy" that concerns us. It is not the product or the developer that has already earned the respect they deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stix818 View Post
    To help get this topic back on track, I just want to share a little info that I just learned the hard way. I destroyed a set of dogs at Bakersfield in September. When we tore the v-drive apart I found that the shift dog had warn a groove into the shift fork caused by having a constant pressure on the shift dog when in gear. When I put the new dogs in (won't mention any names) the person told me to set the shift mechanism up so that when in gear the dogs just come together (completely mate up). The person told me you do not want the shift fork pushing on the dog causing the inner dog to compress. You want them to be fully engaged and that's it. Probably as clear as mud, my bad!!!
    okay so how do you adjust this? when i pulled mine apart i didn't see any adjustment,all i see is the bolt that goes straight down with the ball and spring in it is this what you adjust?,i would think that is why they make the fork out of bronze so it wears before the dog does,I know i am a newby here but i thought you needed constant pressure on the dog to keep it from kicking out, am i wrong?

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    I had an old set of dogs come apart on me at the worst possible time last year at Chowchilla. From that experiance, I have made my own conclusion that shift dogs and forks are wear items, no different than a set of aluminum rods. For me they will be replaced annually as maintainence. I feel this is an overly aggresive replacement schedule, but one that won't ever leave me hearing "Truck and trailer for boat 358 to the inramp" again.F1~

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.Magoo View Post
    okay so how do you adjust this? when i pulled mine apart i didn't see any adjustment,all i see is the bolt that goes straight down with the ball and spring in it is this what you adjust?,i would think that is why they make the fork out of bronze so it wears before the dog does,I know i am a newby here but i thought you needed constant pressure on the dog to keep it from kicking out, am i wrong?
    It's only going to kick out on decelleration, and that is whats keeping them in. Since the detent ball registering holes are not movable, I don't see how it could be adjusted. If there is something I am missing, there are definately people out there smarter than me that might be able to clarify this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.Magoo View Post
    okay so how do you adjust this? when i pulled mine apart i didn't see any adjustment,all i see is the bolt that goes straight down with the ball and spring in it is this what you adjust?,i would think that is why they make the fork out of bronze so it wears before the dog does,I know i am a newby here but i thought you needed constant pressure on the dog to keep it from kicking out, am i wrong?
    The very design of the "dog", (a "dog" is actually the protruding part of the drive disc), is such that constant pressure in the "rotational" direction, and the "negative" angle keeps it in place against the other drive disc's negative angle. Like two wedges working against each other. As these surfaces wear, and they do wear, it becomes easier for them to disengage from each other. The first bad sign is disengagement under deceleration because the rotational pressure goes away and the prop is trying to turn the engine instead of the other way around....If you hold them in your hands you will see exactly what I'm saying. As I said before, when the surface hardening starts to wear, these angles are more prone to sliding off each other....And each time they do, they are wearing critical engagement areas. Eventually all the "fork pressure" in the world will not hold them together.......Hope this helps...Ray
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    once again thanks guys,for your knowledge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.B. View Post
    Adjust the shifter so it dont put pressure on the dog? Noooooooooooooo way, getoutatown. Lol
    Lesson learned!!!!! Rookie mistake with an air shifter.. Never had one before..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.Magoo View Post
    okay so how do you adjust this? when i pulled mine apart i didn't see any adjustment,all i see is the bolt that goes straight down with the ball and spring in it is this what you adjust?,i would think that is why they make the fork out of bronze so it wears before the dog does,I know i am a newby here but i thought you needed constant pressure on the dog to keep it from kicking out, am i wrong?
    The only adjustment I guess would be the handle. Just make sure that when the handle is locked it's not going pass the detent. Since I run a dog other than the high and mighty's the detents become non functional in my application. Like I mentioned it was something I over looked and ended up tearing some stuff up..
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    thanks for the reply

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