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    Default 15% ethanol coming in the gas soon!

    ANYONE SEEN THE REPORTS ON THE 15% (+5%) MORE ETHANOL THEY ARE ADDING TO GASOLINE IN cALIFORNIA AND SOON fEDERAL. Sounds Like issues!
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    Mileage will drop a bit and octane will slightly rise. The corrosive nature of Ethanol may cause issues - especially in much older vehicles.
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    So .. How do you suppose the auto makers are going to meet the stringent epa standards to come ?... My estimate is Fuel out - desiel wil be the fuel of choice and the price will reflect it
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    Yes D fuel is already a fuel of choice abroad, however the Gov is using out gasoline to expel MTBE junk. It is crazy. The other response above stated better octane (YES) lesser fuel economy (YES) The direct difference will be a 5% approx swing on both topics. The issue with boats is fuel tanks are already not big enough for larger HP engines and also the fuel lines are alrerady taking a beating--NOW WATCH! The insurance companies are gonna go nuts with fires due to this as well. The result will be we will all pay more for everyhting! It is crazy that Merc and others sell an addative to reduce soot emissions on the back of the boats! That is not just rich running--pollutions added to fuel to expel?!? Crazy stuff.
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    Got this today in an e-mail from The Washington Wave:



    NMMA Continues Strong Opposition of Incompatible Ethanol Blends

    As previously reported in Currents, in late December NMMA filed suit in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit challenging an Oct.13, 2010 decision by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to partially approve E15 for a subset of on-highway motor vehicles. NMMA is joining the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI), the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers (AAM) and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers (AIAM) in a newly-formed coalition -- the Engine Products Group (EPG) -- in pursuing this legal challenge. Click here to read NMMA's full statement and a joint announcement from the Engine Products Group.
    Last week, NMMA also filed additional comments with EPA on E15 misfueling mitigation as part of the open public comment period. EPA denied NMMA and other groups' requests for a comment period extension and closed comments on Monday, Jan. 3. Click here to read NMMA's comments.
    On Jan. 6, a bipartisan group of nine U.S. senators urged the EPA to overturn its decision to allow E15 in vehicles built in 2007 and later, noting that the Agency’s decision “to allow the use of an even higher level of ethanol -- E15 -- for some types of vehicles fails to adequately protect against misfueling and will add unnecessary confusion at the gas pump for consumers.” Read the full letter here. Despite these serious concerns, EPA is expected to rule on the use of E15 in vehicle models 2001-2006 later this month, a decision it postponed last fall due to incomplete testing that was finalized at the end of January.


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    Default E-15 Extended to cover move vehicles This SUCKS!

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    EPA expands E15 rule

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    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency today waived a limitation on selling gasoline that contains more than 10 percent ethanol for model-year 2001 through 2006 cars, SUVs and light pickup trucks.
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    The agency also announced that no waiver is being granted this year for E15 use in any motorcycles, heavy-duty vehicles or non-road engines, including boat engines, because current testing data do not support such a waiver.
    Although today's waiver excludes marine engines and other non-road engines, the National Marine Manufacturers Association said it continues to be concerned that EPA does not plan to take significant steps to address anticipated problems with consumer confusion and the risk of misfueling.
    "EPA's decision to permit the use of E15 for even more on-road vehicles greatly increases the likelihood of misfueling for boats and other small engines," NMMA president Thom Dammrich said in a statement. "NMMA is very disappointed that EPA has decided to move forward with E15 without mechanisms in place to protect consumers from confusion at the gas pump, as well as the product failures that could be a likely result of misfueling with E15."
    Today's decision comes on the heels of an Oct. 13, 2010 decision in which the EPA approved a waiver allowing the use of E15 for model-year 2007 and newer cars and light trucks. EPA granted the waiver after considering the E15 petition submitted by Growth Energy and 54 ethanol manufacturers in March 2009.
    "Recently completed testing and data analysis show that E15 does not harm emissions control equipment in newer cars and light trucks," EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said in regard to today's decision. "Wherever sound science and the law support steps to allow more homegrown fuels in America's vehicles, this administration takes those steps."
    In December, the NMMA filed suit in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, challenging the EPA's earlier decision to approve E15 for model-year 2007 and newer motor vehicles. The NMMA joined the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute, the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers in a newly formed coalition called the Engine Products Group in pursuing this legal challenge.
    The NMMA said today it will continue to seek relief in the courts, along with two other groups that have filed similar lawsuits.
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    Good question, the mfg's have mastered the efi tuning and Catylist combo's on CA and federal standards. Diesel will be an up n coming but pump gas will need to stay the common-fair for a while. They are working on new formulations to further reduce emissions.
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    So .. How do you suppose the auto makers are going to meet the stringent epa standards to come ?... My estimate is Fuel out - diesel will be the fuel of choice and the price will reflect it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patyacht View Post
    Got this today in an e-mail from The Washington Wave:



    NMMA Continues Strong Opposition of Incompatible Ethanol Blends

    As previously reported in Currents, in late December NMMA filed suit in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit challenging an Oct.13, 2010 decision by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to partially approve E15 for a subset of on-highway motor vehicles. NMMA is joining the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI), the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers (AAM) and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers (AIAM) in a newly-formed coalition -- the Engine Products Group (EPG) -- in pursuing this legal challenge. Click here to read NMMA's full statement and a joint announcement from the Engine Products Group.
    Last week, NMMA also filed additional comments with EPA on E15 misfueling mitigation as part of the open public comment period. EPA denied NMMA and other groups' requests for a comment period extension and closed comments on Monday, Jan. 3. Click here to read NMMA's comments.
    On Jan. 6, a bipartisan group of nine U.S. senators urged the EPA to overturn its decision to allow E15 in vehicles built in 2007 and later, noting that the Agency’s decision “to allow the use of an even higher level of ethanol -- E15 -- for some types of vehicles fails to adequately protect against misfueling and will add unnecessary confusion at the gas pump for consumers.” Read the full letter here. Despite these serious concerns, EPA is expected to rule on the use of E15 in vehicle models 2001-2006 later this month, a decision it postponed last fall due to incomplete testing that was finalized at the end of January.


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