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    picked up a system 1 oil filter from a friend and i need advise on mounting. if i would mount it with the hoses out the bottom it would make for easy mounting but may trap air in the filter and not use the full area available. if i mount it with hoses up, it will make a mess in the boat at filter clean time but no chance of trapped air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by $uperJoe View Post
    picked up a system 1 oil filter from a friend and i need advise on mounting. if i would mount it with the hoses out the bottom it would make for easy mounting but may trap air in the filter and not use the full area available. if i mount it with hoses up, it will make a mess in the boat at filter clean time but no chance of trapped air.

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    First, the post makes no sense. You say mounting the filer upside down creates less of a mess reoving the filter, than if its mounted right side up? How?
    Second, it won't trap enough air to effect the filter area. The filter does not extend to the very end of the can. The little air, if any that gets trapped will be less that the area above the filter media.
    But most important, did you get the mount and filter, or just the mount. Are you considering running the System 1 SCREENING filter?



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    sorry ill try again. i do not know what side the top or bottom is. it was a used product so i didnt have any instructions with it. the hoses enter on one side and the removable end cap off the aluminum body is on the other side. i would assume that if both hoses are on the bottom and the removable part is faced up, so oil doesnt pour out of the body when the cap is removed, it will trap air near the removable cap and hold the oil level lower on the washable stainless screen that is inside the body. thus reducing filter capacity.
    if i put the hoses so they enter the top, the air self purge completely covering the screen filter. when i remove the cap, it will dump a full quart of used oil out the bottom before i can access the removable filter from the body.

    i should have asked first if it does trap air will the amount of air reduce filter area. since thats been answered i guess my whole question is negligible. i have the body and also the reusable 45 micron filter element. i was planning on using the whole thing but not sure if 45 micron is enough filtration so you asked me my next question before i could. is 45 enough or should i order the 30?

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    Quote Originally Posted by $uperJoe View Post
    sorry ill try again. i do not know what side the top or bottom is. it was a used product so i didnt have any instructions with it. the hoses enter on one side and the removable end cap off the aluminum body is on the other side. i would assume that if both hoses are on the bottom and the removable part is faced up, so oil doesnt pour out of the body when the cap is removed, it will trap air near the removable cap and hold the oil level lower on the washable stainless screen that is inside the body. thus reducing filter capacity.
    if i put the hoses so they enter the top, the air self purge completely covering the screen filter. when i remove the cap, it will dump a full quart of used oil out the bottom before i can access the removable filter from the body.

    i should have asked first if it does trap air will the amount of air reduce filter area. since thats been answered i guess my whole question is negligible. i have the body and also the reusable 45 micron filter element. i was planning on using the whole thing but not sure if 45 micron is enough filtration so you asked me my next question before i could. is 45 enough or should i order the 30?
    I see what you saying now. Good luck on removing that cap with it in the boat. That thing is a bitch to remove when its on a bench. It is NORMAL to remove the filter from the mount no different than a disposable filter. Then open the filter and clean it. I guess you could do it your way, but I think you'll find the thing a bitch to disassemble. Much easier to remove it from the mount.
    Also, the filter is a POS. More than a few here have run them, and they are about as effective at filtering the oil as a window screen.

    One of my favorite quotes on the boards here is, "You can filter your oil, or you can screen your oil. The choice is up to you."



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    sounds like i may need to reevaluate my filter options. i was planning on using a baldwin 253 until this came with the oil cooler i bought. i didnt know about them and after some research it seems like a good idea, however as you point out i want an effective filter over a neat idea. at about 60 bucks for a reusable 30 micron element, i could buy half a case of my first idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by $uperJoe View Post
    sounds like i may need to reevaluate my filter options. i was planning on using a baldwin 253 until this came with the oil cooler i bought. i didnt know about them and after some research it seems like a good idea, however as you point out i want an effective filter over a neat idea. at about 60 bucks for a reusable 30 micron element, i could buy half a case of my first idea.
    I run the system 1 mount with a Baldwin bt292 filter on it. Works great and the filters are about 4 bucks at my local diesel truck parts house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone View Post
    I run the system 1 mount with a Baldwin bt292 filter on it. Works great and the filters are about 4 bucks at my local diesel truck parts house.
    Its a excellent mount. One of the best in the biz. The filter, no so much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
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    I run the system 1 mount with a Baldwin bt292 filter on it. Works great and the filters are about 4 bucks at my local diesel truck parts house.
    Its a excellent mount. One of the best in the biz. The filter, no so much.
    If you're trying to trap sand I suppose it works fine. Otherwise, not so much. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    I see what you saying now. Good luck on removing that cap with it in the boat. That thing is a bitch to remove when its on a bench. It is NORMAL to remove the filter from the mount no different than a disposable filter. Then open the filter and clean it. I guess you could do it your way, but I think you'll find the thing a bitch to disassemble. Much easier to remove it from the mount.
    Also, the filter is a POS. More than a few here have run them, and they are about as effective at filtering the oil as a window screen.

    One of my favorite quotes on the boards here is, "You can filter your oil, or you can screen your oil. The choice is up to you."
    I'm glad you got it I was still lost. Yes just remove the entire filter from the engine then remove the lid.

    As far as the System 1 filter. Personally I'd use their 30 micron filter before I used a Wix racing filter rated at 61 microns.

    For what the OP is doing he has plenty of choices for under $8.00 filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper CP View Post
    I'm glad you got it I was still lost. Yes just remove the entire filter from the engine then remove the lid.

    As far as the System 1 filter. Personally I'd use their 30 micron filter before I used a Wix racing filter rated at 61 microns.



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    Yeah it was a little confusing to me. Pretty sure he never tried to remove that top before.
    Not sure I would rather run a System 1 over a Wix Racing, and I bet 30-40 crew chiefs at Nascar would not agree with you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    Yeah it was a little confusing to me. Pretty sure he never tried to remove that top before.
    Not sure I would rather run a System 1 over a Wix Racing, and I bet 30-40 crew chiefs at Nascar would not agree with you.
    Isn't a micron a micron ? 30 vs 61 ? I'd take 30.

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    since new ideas have been brought up in this thread about micron and flow, would your previous thoughts still apply?
    http://www.performanceboats.com/dyno...ml#post1509622
    http://www.performanceboats.com/dyno...ml#post1524959

    i would think 30m would be better than 61m the same way 18m would be better than 30m. unless filtration would stop at high rpm, and lend itself to the bypass. if thats the case wouldnt a series of both styles, system 1 and then a b253 be ideal?

    P.S. i have never taken the cap off the system 1 after it has been in service. it sits on the garage floor as i have yet to install it, if i go that way

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    you can set your filter system up that way. I'm pretty sure the oil will follow the path of least resistance, but yes it will work. you can check the System 1 filter for debris and assume the other filter is catching the smaller particles. The two pictured above had the System 1 30 micron and the Napa is an 18 micron filter.


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    sleeper thats a sweet looking set up. does that filter split parallel or run in series for filtration? it looks parallel.

    also what is that cup welded to the front plate above the balancer for

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