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    Zero gap rings ? Are they as good what Ive read on their site? rings would be in a BG /BA BBC??

    Im also looking for a ring filer with a electric motor. My biggest problem with the current one I have is its a pile trying to squeeze them square and spin it at the same time. Does anyone know where I could buy one at??? Thanks Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkriley13 View Post
    Zero gap rings ? Are they as good what Ive read on their site? rings would be in a BG /BA BBC??

    Im also looking for a ring filer with a electric motor. My biggest problem with the current one I have is its a pile trying to squeeze them square and spin it at the same time. Does anyone know where I could buy one at??? Thanks Tom
    I won't give you 2 cents for a second zero gap ring. Its been said they are a benefit on a alky deal, but I still have my doubts.
    Top zero gap? Yeah, there may be something there. Never ran them, but I have at least looked into it, and am considering it.

    As for the ring filer, the Proform is a OK, but it the power sucks and its battery powered. Its a toy compared to the ABS. The ABS sets the standard.
    LINK: ABS ring filer



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    I thought about trying them but do not think they are worth it. I know a gapped ring works and works well. Plus all the different materials in a gapped ring make them a better choice depending on application.
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    Thanks guys

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    I was on the ground floor with Total Seal Stuff...............we tried them in the top ring land and were hard on cylinder walls so started using them on the 2nd groove. I ran them a bunch in Sprint cars, using chrome moly top ring. Later with gas ported pistons we found we were better off with out runing them and went back to the ductile iron 2nd.

    Where your stuck with running the 5/64's ringed piston the total seal Rings will help.

    ABS ring filer is the ticket, as Bob previously pointed out!!

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    I have the Pro Form.. It does the job but like Bob mentioned it's battery powered.. I'm sure if I can figure out how to hard wire my daughters battery operated swing I can figure out how to do it to this!!

    That ABS is sweet but 900 bucks, ouch!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stix818 View Post
    I have the Pro Form.. It does the job but like Bob mentioned it's battery powered.. I'm sure if I can figure out how to hard wire my daughters battery operated swing I can figure out how to do it to this!!

    That ABS is sweet but 900 bucks, ouch!!!
    I hear ya $900.00 ouch!!! I was told thwy were around 300.00 bucks guess not... oh well I`ll jerry something up to my current one before I pay that... i`d buy one if I could keep this pile running long enough to spend crazy money on an awesome tool

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    Ring grinder... yup ABS. I bought mine when they were cheap.. only 750. ROFL. That was 15 years ago or so... maybe more.
    Zero gap rings... Bob has never used them and says they aren't worth a fuck. Well, he is wrong.
    They are a benefit on an alcohol piece. Especially since clowns usually can't figure out how to tune it and the oil turns to milk. They will help in that case. With that being said... I run em. I am not afraid to not run em. Probably will quit runnen them if total seal is the only one available. I was a fan of C&A.
    Now, Bob will lambast me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    I won't give you 2 cents for a second zero gap ring. Its been said they are a benefit on a alky deal, but I still have my doubts.
    Top zero gap? Yeah, there may be something there. Never ran them, but I have at least looked into it, and am considering it.

    As for the ring filer, the Proform is a OK, but it the power sucks and its battery powered. Its a toy compared to the ABS. The ABS sets the standard.
    LINK: ABS ring filer
    Take this for what it is worth to you:
    On the altered (7.50 Blown alcohol deal) It was common for us to have to use duct tape across the breathers on the valve cover because the breathers would come out of the valve covers at about 1000 ft if we did not (we ran evacupan at the time).
    I had used various rings (Total seal, TRW, JE, and speedpro molys) and it was always the same. No big deal.
    We changed oil after qualify on Saturday because you could see the alcohol in it.

    C&A became a contingency sponsor. I won a set of their Moly rings with gapless 2nd. They wanted to talk me into going a stainless or tool steel ring because I was alcohol but I insisted the moly would be fine.
    I installed the rings (per their instructions) and we never had to tape breathers again. We no longer changed oil on Saturday either. We would go at least 2 full races and sometimes 3 (depending on rounds).
    That was about 1995 area and I used C&A molys until I could not get them anymore. On any motor I ever used them with I see nothing out of the breathers.....ever.

    Oh and while I am at it the total seals I tried when they first came out were hard as hell on the walls...as were TRW's new trick ring (which I am told now has returned and called Hellfire ring).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat48 View Post
    Take this for what it is worth to you:
    On the altered (7.50 Blown alcohol deal) It was common for us to have to use duct tape across the breathers on the valve cover because the breathers would come out of the valve covers at about 1000 ft if we did not (we ran evacupan at the time).
    I had used various rings (Total seal, TRW, JE, and speedpro molys) and it was always the same. No big deal.
    We changed oil after qualify on Saturday because you could see the alcohol in it.

    C&A became a contingency sponsor. I won a set of their Moly rings with gapless 2nd. They wanted to talk me into going a stainless or tool steel ring because I was alcohol but I insisted the moly would be fine.
    I installed the rings (per their instructions) and we never had to tape breathers again. We no longer changed oil on Saturday either. We would go at least 2 full races and sometimes 3 (depending on rounds).
    That was about 1995 area and I used C&A molys until I could not get them anymore. On any motor I ever used them with I see nothing out of the breathers.....ever.

    Oh and while I am at it the total seals I tried when they first came out were hard as hell on the walls...as were TRW's new trick ring (which I am told now has returned and called Hellfire ring).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiat48 View Post
    Take this for what it is worth to you:
    On the altered (7.50 Blown alcohol deal) It was common for us to have to use duct tape across the breathers on the valve cover because the breathers would come out of the valve covers at about 1000 ft if we did not (we ran evacupan at the time).
    I had used various rings (Total seal, TRW, JE, and speedpro molys) and it was always the same. No big deal.
    We changed oil after qualify on Saturday because you could see the alcohol in it.

    C&A became a contingency sponsor. I won a set of their Moly rings with gapless 2nd. They wanted to talk me into going a stainless or tool steel ring because I was alcohol but I insisted the moly would be fine.
    I installed the rings (per their instructions) and we never had to tape breathers again. We no longer changed oil on Saturday either. We would go at least 2 full races and sometimes 3 (depending on rounds).
    That was about 1995 area and I used C&A molys until I could not get them anymore. On any motor I ever used them with I see nothing out of the breathers.....ever.

    Oh and while I am at it the total seals I tried when they first came out were hard as hell on the walls...as were TRW's new trick ring (which I am told now has returned and called Hellfire ring).
    I also had great luck with the Childs&Alberts moly top w/gapless second. Ran them with boost & NOS at the same time and never had blow by. I had Ross of the shelf blower pistons and they came with a 5/64 groove and the C&A was the best ring available in the conf. To bad you cant get them any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wagspe208 View Post
    Zero gap rings... Bob has never used them and says they aren't worth a fuck. Well, he is wrong.

    Now, Bob will lambast me.
    Wags
    Now see Wags, You're completely wrong. I did run C&A ZGS rings for a season. Saw nothing there compared to a Speed Pro and the price didn't justify the ring. BUT....that was on gas, and it wasn't a drag deal.
    Like I said in my post, I have more than once that they are beneficial on a alky deal. I don't run alky, so I won't argue the point. I simply saw nothing on a gas deal that was being used for drag racing.

    I understand there may be some benefit to them in a alum block engine as well.



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    GN... my bad... I reread your first post... I assume you meant you never ran gapless at all. I think you meant you ran gapless top and not second?? No, you ran gapless second and not top... hell... I will try to figure it out again.
    Gapless second is ok on an alky piece... yes... IF one can tune an engine your oil won't be milk with standard gap rings. IF.
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