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    Well there are countless threads on how to order the most expensive parts in the world and assemble them in a rockect science lab.

    Thats not what this thread is about. This thread was kinda inspried by two things. The racers that say, "YOU CANT" and the thread about 100MPH+ VeeHulls.

    It seems things like Dart, Eagle, Roller, Merlin, KeithBlack, Hbeam, ARP, platniuridium, etc were just not around back when crazy bastards were running INSANE numbers.

    How did the Avenger/devil guys get a vee hull into the 130MPH range with out a chromo crank and 632 CI?

    Did they lie about the numbers? Did they only get one pass per engine? I know, it musta been the good ol leaded high octane gas right?


    How did they do it without data and AF cumputers? How did they go so fast in shitty boats back before it had been done thousands of times?



    How did they get an engine that wont stay together to go so fast in a lake boat?
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    So if you have a cast crank, or cast pistons, or a wore out POS built form hand me downs that flat out hauls ass and has done so for more than two weekends,,,,,,,,

    POST IT UP.


    Or if you have a rig powered by OLD speed equipment made before the blingtanium and 300M days then lets see it too.


    If its in summit or jegs, please not here.

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    You'll have way more luck with this conversation in the Jet Boat forum. Oh and I doubt many that raced back in the day are wishing they could go back to building HP from modified stock parts, i.e. a grenade with the pin pulled....
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    No one.......end of post

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    A couple of things you fail to realize about "the old days"... people ran the best stuff they could get their hands on at the time. Granted a lot of the best stuff was production equipment... but they were running forged internals (factory forged cranks, factory (TRW) forged piston) and either running 7/16 dimple rods or aluminum rods. Some of the more bucks guys would roll with stuff like arias or even earlier jahns pistons. But reguardless... it was the best stuff they could get ahold of at the time. As parts got better, the demad for said parts rose and people built fast shit that hopefully lasted a bit better. So the notion that they were building with junk is a bit overstated. Junk? Well, perhaps by todays standards, but not at the time.

    Then, a lot of the really fast guys doing dumb shit in V hulls were also running blown fuel setups... and tell you what... a blower with a load of nitro makes a lot of ponies, but it is really hard on parts... hence the need for higher quality parts arose. (see paragraph above)

    Also, a lot of these engines didn't last very long. Trying to get big power out of something that was built with 60's and 70's technology just simply didn't last. I mean you can find an old timer or two that got 5000 passes out of their bone stock 283 with 160% nitro and 750 lbs of boost... plus 4 bottles of nitrous running high 190's back in 1963... but chances are their memory is a little fuzzy... and 5000 passes would actually be more like .5 pass. (see both paragraphs above)

    Today, guys racing like to have their shit last more than a weekend. It is much more cost effective (yet higher inital cost) to build a nice mill that lasts season after season with minor freshening in the off season than building grenade after grenade weekend after weekend. Hence the reason people have trended that way, rather than stick with the old school method. Plus... as an added bonus... wrecking a boat at 100+ mph (especially a V bottom) is not a driver favorite... so doing something to help prevent that is always nice.

    I kinda belive that building a grenade without a pin is not somehting one should do in a perfromance boat... cool for an engine stand or dyno experiment... way un-cool in a boat hauling ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellnback View Post
    1969 Corvette 427 Hi Perf in a 1974 Sanger


    Nice looking ride... but a '69 hi perf vette 427 is far from junk... even if it is a little used. I mean they still had 7/16 rods and forged internals.
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    All we ever ran in this thing was old junk. We had a blast with old factory production stuff out of station wagons and suburbans. LOL One of my favorite aspects of this car, aside from how fun it was, was the simple fact that we ran well for what we had in it. My favorite story had to do with another team we raced against out of the valley here. They were upset about the fact that their Name Brand engine builder was being beat by our junk. Well they went to our machinist to make some engine changes so they would be increasing the cubic inches as well as stepping up to big chief heads and upgraded valvetrain. Well in doing so they asked the machinist if they knew anyone that might want their heads and intake. It just so happened that we came in the next day and spoke to him about buying them. We put them on the car and made a cam change to go with them and picked up some performance. Ironically, this other team came back to the next event with their new combo and proceeded to get outrun by their own old parts.

    Is that the kind of story you were looking for?

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    LOL, all I've ever ran is hand me downs!! My oldman is a parts collector so I end up buying stuff that's just collecting dust on the shelves.. Hell, he still has the motor from when he raced my 61 vette in 1969 and early 70s.. Has at least two full sets of EPD heads and manifolds from the 80s and who knows what else!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc-Pilot View Post
    All we ever ran in this thing was old junk. We had a blast with old factory production stuff out of station wagons and suburbans. LOL One of my favorite aspects of this car, aside from how fun it was, was the simple fact that we ran well for what we had in it. My favorite story had to do with another team we raced against out of the valley here. They were upset about the fact that their Name Brand engine builder was being beat by our junk. Well they went to our machinist to make some engine changes so they would be increasing the cubic inches as well as stepping up to big chief heads and upgraded valvetrain. Well in doing so they asked the machinist if they knew anyone that might want their heads and intake. It just so happened that we came in the next day and spoke to him about buying them. We put them on the car and made a cam change to go with them and picked up some performance. Ironically, this other team came back to the next event with their new combo and proceeded to get outrun by their own old parts.

    Is that the kind of story you were looking for?

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    Fast (to me) on old junk? Oem trw pistons from 1970, 10/20 396 crank, 4 bolt 402 block bored to 4.250 with a crooked line bore and 22 heli-coils for head studs.Rods are take out from another with arp bolts that are the only new parts in the motor. Oil pump came from another motor that port had (unrelated)oil pressure issues. Old school closed chamber rect heads with "cherry picked out of a pile" valves, springs that were take out from another motor and port/polish work done by someone who had never done it before. A slightly used drag race cam (5 k stall 4.88's light car 7-7400 in a 454)
    A 'used to be a decent set of harlan-sharps" that someone ground all up...i think the clear stock guide plates.Head gaskets have been reused 3 times, vintage valve cover gaskets. Old as hell msd..rather have hei but it wont fit. A "to lazy to polish so i had it powder coated" tunnel ram and a set of mis-matched 660's that had been in a fire hot enough to melt one of the float bowls and a $29 auto zone fuel pump.....Almost all of the motor work and assembly was done by someone who hadn't put a bbc together since about 1983.

    Does that qualify as old junk?

    It will walk @ about 85 until 16 gal tanks are dry, will run triple digits and it wont break....only because it hasn't yet but might if i post this..lol.....and if it does that means i didn't do something right and i won't do that again
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc-Pilot View Post
    All we ever ran in this thing was old junk. We had a blast with old factory production stuff out of station wagons and suburbans. LOL One of my favorite aspects of this car, aside from how fun it was, was the simple fact that we ran well for what we had in it. My favorite story had to do with another team we raced against out of the valley here. They were upset about the fact that their Name Brand engine builder was being beat by our junk. Well they went to our machinist to make some engine changes so they would be increasing the cubic inches as well as stepping up to big chief heads and upgraded valvetrain. Well in doing so they asked the machinist if they knew anyone that might want their heads and intake. It just so happened that we came in the next day and spoke to him about buying them. We put them on the car and made a cam change to go with them and picked up some performance. Ironically, this other team came back to the next event with their new combo and proceeded to get outrun by their own old parts.

    Is that the kind of story you were looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldHondaBoughtHondo View Post
    Fast (to me) on old junk? Oem trw pistons from 1970, 10/20 396 crank, 4 bolt 402 block bored to 4.250 with a crooked line bore and 22 heli-coils for head studs.Rods are take out from another with arp bolts that are the only new parts in the motor. Oil pump came from another motor that port had (unrelated)oil pressure issues. Old school closed chamber rect heads with "cherry picked out of a pile" valves, springs that were take out from another motor and port/polish work done by someone who had never done it before. A slightly used drag race cam (5 k stall 4.88's light car 7-7400 in a 454)
    A 'used to be a decent set of harlan-sharps" that someone ground all up...i think the clear stock guide plates.Head gaskets have been reused 3 times, vintage valve cover gaskets. Old as hell msd..rather have hei but it wont fit. A "to lazy to polish so i had it powder coated" tunnel ram and a set of mis-matched 660's that had been in a fire hot enough to melt one of the float bowls and a $29 auto zone fuel pump.....Almost all of the motor work and assembly was done by someone who hadn't put a bbc together since about 1983.

    Does that qualify as old junk?

    It will walk @ about 85 until 16 gal tanks are dry, will run triple digits and it wont break....only because it hasn't yet but might if i post this..lol.....and if it does that means i didn't do something right and i won't do that again
    I LOVE IT! Let's hear more.

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