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    Default bowtie or dart sportsman blocks?

    bowtie or dart any preference?
    i can get the bowtie block for $300 cheaper any reason why the dart is worth the extra $300?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTspectra20 View Post
    bowtie or dart any preference?
    i can get the bowtie block for $300 cheaper any reason why the dart is worth the extra $300?
    You have to be a little carefull when looking at Bowties. Some don't have mechanical fuel pump bosses if you need one.
    There is nothing wrong with the bowtie at all.



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    What's the price on the bowtie? Have you checked with flatlanderacing on the dart? I called two weeks ago, the Big M with steel mains delivered to the Sacramento area was $2365.00. That's including the $180.00 for shipping? The price for the ductile mains is $1809.00 for the 4.5 bore. A little cheaper for the 4.25".

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    Here's my experience with an older bow tie, bought one in the early 90's to build a 540 for my drag car. Most if not all of the head bolt holes were drilled into water when they were suppose to be blind. Also several of the pan bolt holes were drilled so deep they also found water. Other than these issues, the block was a dependable piece, but it appears GM quality control was lacking back then, while I am sure it is impecable now that obozo runs GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbletop409 View Post
    Here's my experience with an older bow tie, bought one in the early 90's to build a 540 for my drag car. Most if not all of the head bolt holes were drilled into water when they were suppose to be blind. Also several of the pan bolt holes were drilled so deep they also found water. Other than these issues, the block was a dependable piece, but it appears GM quality control was lacking back then, while I am sure it is impecable now that obozo runs GM.
    I ran a short deck bowtie with good success on a couple motors. They all had blind head bolt holes. I'm running a tall deck bowtie now and like Larry said, the head bolts go into the water jacket which I HATE!!. My current engine is farily low HP so I'm not super concerned, but anything I build in the future will always be a Dart block. Other than the weight, I think they're way ahead of whatever is in second place.
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    I think the Bowtie is a great alternative to a Dart, especially if you're on a budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    I think the Bowtie is a great alternative to a Dart, especially if you're on a budget.
    Get the Dart, get the steel caps too...get the Big M...even when you builder says you don't need it, you'll always have a block and you can always grow with...bigger motor and more HP...Scott, face it..you loved working on the Dart Block.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdonShano View Post
    Get the Dart, get the steel caps too...get the Big M...even when you builder says you don't need it, you'll always have a block and you can always grow with...bigger motor and more HP...Scott, face it..you loved working on the Dart Block.....
    Got a buddy with a Dart Big M w/billet caps he bought new for a daycruiser build. Motor probably makes around 700 HP and never sees north of about 5500 RPM. Does he need it? No way, but he digs it none the less. IMHO the Big M is the best iron block available today.... at least for a BBC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    Got a buddy with a Dart Big M w/billet caps he bought new for a daycruiser build. Motor probably makes around 700 HP and never sees north of about 5500 RPM. Does he need it? No way, but he digs it none the less. IMHO the Big M is the best iron block available today.... at least for a BBC.
    I feel the same way about it...mine is not in the boat yet but it's a great conversation piece when people come over..I break out the pics of the block from when we first got it to after the machine work was done (Scott loving on it) I've had Bowtie blocks too that we ran in BGF... the DART is a WAY nicer piece..BOWTIE or DART: spend the extra 300 and get the DART
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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    Got a buddy with a Dart Big M w/billet caps he bought new for a daycruiser build. Motor probably makes around 700 HP and never sees north of about 5500 RPM. Does he need it? No way, but he digs it none the less. IMHO the Big M is the best iron block available today.... at least for a BBC.
    5500 RPM?? That's crazy talk. With my new prop and 29's, I get 5200.. But yeah, I still dig it!!!..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTspectra20 View Post
    bowtie or dart any preference?
    i can get the bowtie block for $300 cheaper any reason why the dart is worth the extra $300?

    Didn't read the whole thread but hell For only $300 deference why even consider the Bowtie ??

    Allot of info out there , Here,s a good write up on the block



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    Check out Welcome to Cobra Power - High Performance Parts they had the best prices on Dart blocks that I found. Go with Dart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschool View Post
    Check out Welcome to Cobra Power - High Performance Parts they had the best prices on Dart blocks that I found. Go with Dart.
    I wouldn't recommend doing business with CobraPower. A lot of what they sell is seconds and blems, and if you ask them specifically if that's what you're getting, they'll lie to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOv1c3 View Post
    Didn't read the whole thread but hell For only $300 deference why even consider the Bowtie ??

    Allot of info out there , Here,s a good write up on the block



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    A Bowtie is more block than most guys will ever need, and since most are on a budget, I can't imagine throwing away 300.00 for no good reason.
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