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    Has anybody used or is anybody familiar with White Performance and Machine?? They are in Kingsport, TN. I am interested in their 496 BBC rotating assembly(ebay item #190589821419). Seems to be a fair price. Any constructive input would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. This is the eBay description:.070 oversize pistons +18cc Dome Probe forged pistons and pins with locks, 4.320 bore, Hastings moly rings, King rod and main bearings, 4340- 6.385 H- beam rods, Balanced 4.250 inch stroke Scat or Eagle crankshaft, Note: Includes flexplate and balancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrider44 View Post
    Has anybody used or is anybody familiar with White Performance and Machine?? They are in Kingsport, TN. I am interested in their 496 BBC rotating assembly(ebay item #190589821419). Seems to be a fair price. Any constructive input would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. This is the eBay description:.070 oversize pistons +18cc Dome Probe forged pistons and pins with locks, 4.320 bore, Hastings moly rings, King rod and main bearings, 4340- 6.385 H- beam rods, Balanced 4.250 inch stroke Scat or Eagle crankshaft, Note: Includes flexplate and balancer
    You know the saying, "If it looks too good to be true it probably is"?

    Eagle or Scat 4340 cranks go for around $700 alone. Bob was right, they never state it's a 4340 crank. The price is too low, there almost has to be something going on there. FYI,, 4.320" bore yields 498.3 cubic inches with the 4.25" stroke, not 496 cu in. I have never tried King bearings, I know they cost a bunch less than Clevite, and the damper they have pictured is not one I would run in a boat. I don't think there is a brand name with the rods, so probably have to assume the worst on them.

    As I said, call them and get all the information you can.
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    I would love to know the difference between Skip White Performance and White Performance and Machine. Both from the same town, both selling the same EXACT kit for the same price. Father and son?

    Heard better things about Skip White, and some not so good things about WP&M. Who knows.
    Maybe Cstraub can shed some light. I think he knows the story between the 2.

    BTW, FYI, ONLY the crank is Scat and its a cast crank. The rings are eh, the bearings are middle of the road King bearing, labeled by Ling to sound like a good bearing but in reality the same as the clevite/speed pro "P" bearing, and NOT recommended for extended high RPM.
    The damper is from a company "called" Pro Race, and they make great dampers, but the one in the kit is what they market as a Pro Street, and it IS NOT SFI approved. Neither is the flexplate, although they say "it the very same plate as the one that is" Oh really. Then pu the damn sticker on the freek'n thing!!!!

    The rings are OEM moly rings, no file fit.
    And the pistons are Probe, and I will leave it at that. They have discussed on here before, and personally, I'd take Icons over them ANYDAY!

    The rods ARE NOT SCAT RODS!!!!! My guess, considering the volume both SKP and WP&M do with ProCrap, they are ProCrap rods, or Galaxy, or..... But they ARE NOT SCAT!!!

    Skip White offers Scats "I" beam as an UPGRADE so what does that tell you about the standard issue "H" beam rod. BTW, the H beam rod has a 8740 bolt, but the name of the manufacture is NOT mentioned. The Scat "I" beam upgrade comes with a ARP 8740 bolts, and it is named.

    When looking at these kits, NEVER assume ANYTHING. They deliberately write them in a way that makes the kit seem much more than it is.

    For a few dollars more, you can put together a much better kit on your own. just my 2 cents

    If the kit as is works for you, then the price is pretty good. But if its not the kit you thought it was, think about either getting them to up grade the kit to your needs, or look somewhere else. That kit was put together to do exactly what it did. Get your attention., and possibly fool you into thinking its a better kit than it is.

    edit: seems to be some concern that I am trying to talk the OP out of the kit. far from it. Just pointing out a few things that the ad is written to make the kit seem more than it is. ITS THEIR JOB. ITS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY! BUT if the kit is in your budget and you believe it will perform to your goals, by all means buy it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    I would love to know the difference between Skip White Performance and White Performance and Machine. Both from the same town, both selling the same EXACT kit for the same price. Father and son?

    Heard better things about Skip White, and some not so good things about WP&M. Who knows.
    Maybe Cstraub can shed some light. I think he knows the story between the 2.

    BTW, FYI, ONLY the crank is Scat and its a cast crank. The rings are eh, the bearings are middle of the road King bearing, labeled by Ling to sound like a good bearing but in reality the same as the clevite/speed pro "P" bearing, and NOT recommended for extended high RPM.
    The damper is from a company "called" Pro Race, and they make great dampers, but the one in the kit is what they market as a Pro Street, and it IS NOT SFI approved. Neither is the flexplate, although they say "it the very same plate as the one that is" Oh really. Then pu the damn sticker on the freek'n thing!!!!

    The rings are OEM moly rings, no file fit.
    And the pistons are Probe, and I will leave it at that. They have discussed on here before, and personally, I'd take Icons over them ANYDAY!

    The rods ARE NOT SCAT RODS!!!!! My guess, considering the volume both SKP and WP&M do with ProCrap, they are ProCrap rods, or Galaxy, or..... But they ARE NOT SCAT!!!

    Skip White offers Scats "I" beam as an UPGRADE so what does that tell you about the standard issue "H" beam rod. BTW, the H beam rod has a 8740 bolt, but the name of the manufacture is NOT mentioned. The Scat "I" beam upgrade comes with a ARP 8740 bolts, and it is named.

    When looking at these kits, NEVER assume ANYTHING. They deliberately write them in a way that makes the kit seem much more than it is.

    For a few dollars more, you can put together a much better kit on your own. just my 2 cents

    If the kit as is works for you, then the price is pretty good. But if its not the kit you thought it was, think about either getting them to up grade the kit to your needs, or look somewhere else. That kit was put together to do exactly what it did. Get your attention., and possibly fool you into thinking its a better kit than it is.

    DAMN!

    I need to bring you to the next swap meet I go to....

    Nice write up, learned me a few things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Jets View Post
    DAMN!

    I need to bring you to the next swap meet I go to....

    Nice write up, learned me a few things...
    I'd consider being an ad writer for Ebay sellers, but in all seriousness, I could not write a better HOOK ad that that without flat out lying. Thats as good of an ad as they get. I am sure they sell the hell out of those kits.



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    gn7 you speak words nicer than a $20 whore lol

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    Thank you all for the knowledge and expertise. I want to make a well informed decision before I purchase anything. When I get a chance to call them, I will get all the details and actual parts(maybe part #s would be helpful) and let you know what I find out. Thanks again and let me know if you think of anything else
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    The rods and crank are precision engine parts. The kit does not come with dampiner or flex plate, but its in the picture. Waste of money. I sold my kit. Big waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdrivegrimes View Post
    The rods and crank are precision engine parts. The kit does not come with damper or flex plate, but its in the picture. Waste of money. I sold my kit. Big waste of money.
    I "upgraded" to the forged crank,only to find out they took away the eagle rods and gave procomp rods in their place .no arp bolts.I spent 200.00 extra to "upgrade" to srp procomp pistons-otherwise you get street car pistons with 5/16 rings.Flexplate and balancer were an additional 120.00 This raised the price to 1995.00....I returned my kit after my engine builder basically told me I had f-ed up. Took a 500.00 hit for restocking fees.Yes-too good to be true.All this after being told "don't do it!" by people on this site ...I wish I would have listened. Live and learn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronboats View Post
    I "upgraded" to the forged crank,only to find out they took away the eagle rods and gave procomp rods in their place .no arp bolts.I spent 200.00 extra to "upgrade" to srp procomp pistons-otherwise you get street car pistons with 5/16 rings.Flexplate and balancer were an additional 120.00 This raised the price to 1995.00....I returned my kit after my engine builder basically told me I had f-ed up. Took a 500.00 hit for restocking fees.Yes-too good to be true.All this after being told "don't do it!" by people on this site ...I wish I would have listened. Live and learn!
    Not sure what kit you are talking about as "original" but nowhere in either the WPM or Skip White kits I have looked at make any claim to using Eagle or Scat rods, only the crank. Skip White offers Scat "I" beams as an upgrade from the standard "H" beam rod. That right there should tell you something about the standard "H" beam rod, if Scats "I" beam is the upgrade!

    Both Skip Whites kits and the one that the OP listed from WPM say they include a flexplate and damper. maybe the kit you bought did not. They do sell a "unbalanced assemebly kit" as well. Its all in the fine print



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    Not sure what kit you are talking about as "original" but nowhere in either the WPM or Skip White kits I have looked at make any claim to using Eagle or Scat rods, only the crank. Skip White offers Scat "I" beams as an upgrade from the standard "H" beam rod. That right there should tell you something about the standard "H" beam rod, if Scats "I" beam is the upgrade!

    Both Skip Whites kits and the one that the OP listed from WPM say they include a flexplate and damper. maybe the kit you bought did not. They do sell a "unbalanced assemebly kit" as well. Its all in the fine print
    My kit was from White performance and machine.not skip white .They sell a balanced rotating assembly which includes eagle
    crank and rods with balancer and flexplate as this kit is externally balanced. If you want a forged crank,(500.00 extra) the kit is internally balanced and dose not include balancer or flexplate they also switch the eagle rods for procomp rods.Kind of a bait and switch. I was fine with paying extra for the balancer and flexplate, but the rod switch pissed me off.No more china crap for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronboats View Post
    My kit was from White performance and machine.not skip white .They sell a balanced rotating assembly which includes eagle
    crank and rods with balancer and flexplate as this kit is externally balanced. If you want a forged crank,(500.00 extra) the kit is internally balanced and dose not include balancer or flexplate they also switch the eagle rods for procomp rods.Kind of a bait and switch. I was fine with paying extra for the balancer and flexplate, but the rod switch pissed me off.No more china crap for me.
    Yeah all those guys have more moves than a Super Bowl Team. That little trick would piss me off as well. You did the right thing Ron. Not sure they learned anything from it. maybe they make their money from the restocking fees and keep shipping out the same 10 kits over and over.

    Hate assholes that have to play stupid ass games in a effort to try and make a buck. Sell a decent kit for a reasonable price and stop with the games and you will probably do much better.
    Like I said in a previous post, heard more bad about WPM than Skip White, but I don't trust either of them.



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    I upgraded my crank and rods. Crank was a PEP but it came in an eagle box. My h beam rods where PEP also. F them guys. They said i was getting eagle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vdrivegrimes View Post
    I upgraded my crank and rods. Crank was a PEP but it came in an eagle box. My h beam rods where PEP also. F them guys. They said i was getting eagle.

    No, they ment to say it was, "like eagle"... same box, different parts.
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