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    Default What type of additive would one use?

    I`m bored and at a stopping point with my Racepack installation while breakfast is finishing up so with that being said, I`ve heard of an additive one could put in their gas for an extra 50 HP or so.. I`m sure its illegal and probably isnt true but who knows....thanks as usual,Tom

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    Nitro ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkriley13 View Post
    I`m bored and at a stopping point with my Racepack installation while breakfast is finishing up so with that being said, I`ve heard of an additive one could put in their gas for an extra 50 HP or so.. I`m sure its illegal and probably isnt true but who knows....thanks as usual,Tom
    50 really isn't that much if you are already making 1000. The more you are making, the less 50 is unreasonable.
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    Nitro ?????
    He said 50, not 500. But I think we can leave it at nitro.



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    Toulene has been used to raise octane

    Google it and page through to find the articles, they are buried.

    If I remember correctly, toulene is a major component of gasoline already, adding it to gasoline does raise octane allowing for more compression/timing and a more power. You would have to mix every tank of fuel, this could get expensive.


    Nitro wouldn't take near as much volume per tank of fuel.

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    toluene: Definition from Answers.com

    used in aviation fuel and other high-octane fuels

    When toluene is treated with a mixture of nitric and sulfuric acids (a process known as nitration), trinitrotoluene (TNT) is produced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieB View Post
    Toulene has been used to raise octane

    Google it and page through to find the articles, they are buried.

    If I remember correctly, toulene is a major component of gasoline already, adding it to gasoline does raise octane allowing for more compression/timing and a more power. You would have to mix every tank of fuel, this could get expensive.


    Nitro wouldn't take near as much volume per tank of fuel.
    Toluene hits a ceiling where too much becomes detrimental to power. It is an anti knock additive like you said, but it is not in itself a power adder. Its the tuning like you said that creates the extra power. Av Gas has about the maximum toluene you can effectively run in gas and not lose power.
    If you are already running race fuel, toluene will most likely result in a power lose regardless how you tune it.



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    Maybe propelyne oxide. I know I spelled it wrong. When I was younger me and A buddy of mine were thinking about building a couple of knee riders to race in the apba He got a book about it at the library and in the back of the book there were about 20 recipes to make inhanced fuel. Never tried any and I do know they were all based on leaded premium fuels. Some oxygenated race fuels have shown a 30-40 hp gain on the dyno.

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    Moonshine. Lol Alcohol nothing else needed! It's not to late!

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    Nitro would be cool. Methanol running engines are even cooler! China is the only country refining nitro though. I try not to advocate buying Chinese junk but if you have the means for this JUST DO IT! Even14% of nitro added to methanol adds 200hp. And sounds bitchin and smells better! 50 gallon drum of lightning is $600.

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    Spud's Nitro Notes Good luck!!! I will do this when I get a tunnel hull.

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    Your question reminded me of, back in the day (1970's), I would add Cox fuel to my Honda 55 minibike, don't really remember it helping out the killer 3.0 HP.....but it smelled really cool, kinda like the speedway bikes of Orange County Fairgrounds!
    Anyone can pedal a bicycle, can you pedal a flat?????

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    STP Gas treatment should do it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniboarder View Post
    Nitro would be cool. Methanol running engines are even cooler! China is the only country refining nitro though. I try not to advocate buying Chinese junk but if you have the means for this JUST DO IT! Even14% of nitro added to methanol adds 200hp. And sounds bitchin and smells better! 50 gallon drum of lightning is $600.
    What is 600.00?



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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertooth View Post
    Maybe propelyne oxide. I know I spelled it wrong. When I was younger me and A buddy of mine were thinking about building a couple of knee riders to race in the apba He got a book about it at the library and in the back of the book there were about 20 recipes to make inhanced fuel. Never tried any and I do know they were all based on leaded premium fuels. Some oxygenated race fuels have shown a 30-40 hp gain on the dyno.
    Running prope only adds oxygen to the fuel, as an example we would mix 8oz. prope to 1 gallon of fuel everytime we would race in mammoth. Without the prope, you would be a blithering pig IF you could even get the bike started. After each run you have to drain all the fuel and measure out another gallon and dump in the prope 30 secs. before the gate dropped. I don't know you could do this in a boat. If you weren't in a high altitude situation you would run lean as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertooth View Post
    Maybe propelyne oxide. I know I spelled it wrong. When I was younger me and A buddy of mine were thinking about building a couple of knee riders to race in the apba He got a book about it at the library and in the back of the book there were about 20 recipes to make inhanced fuel. Never tried any and I do know they were all based on leaded premium fuels. Some oxygenated race fuels have shown a 30-40 hp gain on the dyno.
    Back in the day, propelyne oxide was a popular "cheater" addative. From what I remember, it's hard to manage as it didn't wanna stay mixed and also a serious health hazard. The cheapist/safest "addative" is additiona fuel........ and nitrous oxide to react it!!!

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    Moonshine. Lol Alcohol nothing else needed! It's not to late!
    It would be crime to waste good 'shine. I've given up on convincing Tom to swap over to alky....

    Quote Originally Posted by fireboat607 View Post
    Your question reminded me of, back in the day (1970's), I would add Cox fuel to my Honda 55 minibike, don't really remember it helping out the killer 3.0 HP.....but it smelled really cool, kinda like the speedway bikes of Orange County Fairgrounds!
    Yea, kind reminded me of the old Power Mist 2 stroke oil!! We'll still get and old school Bultaco or other 2 stroke out at Lodi running that stuff. The good old days!!!




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