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    Default Valve spring shims.

    How many shims under spring locator is to many before you need to change spring,s, and as the shims stack up how much valve guide do I need sticking up above spring locator? (Trying to get installed height correct)

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    Shims shouldn't have anything to do with installed height


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbylisa View Post
    How many shims under spring locator is to many before you need to change spring,s, and as the shims stack up how much valve guide do I need sticking up above spring locator? (Trying to get installed height correct)
    This may sound a little harsh, but you have already asked enough questions regarding these heads, on some pretty simple questions to make be believe you probably shouldn't be messing with the heads.
    I built my own engines, and have for some time. But I never mess with the heads. I send them out. With out ALL the right tools and KNOWLEDGE, you are not saving money, your wasting it, as well as your time.

    Companies that sell heads very seldom get them right, which is why the smarter ones never buy assembled heads, or at least tear down their assemblies and check EVERYTHING! If the companies that manufacture heads get them wrong more time the not, what are the odds you will get them right.
    Not only should you haul these heads off to somebody that is qualified, you need to KNOW they are qualified.

    To answer your question, if you have enough guide above the spring locator to fully seat a seal, you have enough. But there are other ways to get to the installed height besides stacking shims.
    This is like the rocker arm question. if you have to ask how many shims, its probably more shims than you should be using, and you should be looking for another means of getting to the desired installed height. JMO
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    Shims shouldn't have anything to do with installed height
    They have EVERYTHING to do with installed height.



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    That,s fine i am learning, I,m trying to get it right, changed cam,s got it were it needs to to be, needed some help, Scott (steel comp) spent some time with me on the phones getting the rocker arm geometry right, so I could get the push rod length correct, had checker springs on already so I was checking what the installed height is (was) and it is not right, and a machine shop set them up, (they have been in business for 40 years) so I can probably get them closer i just need good info, sorry if I am wasting your reading time, and I will put a ad in the paper or something to get the right machine shop the first time with out asking dumb questions, thank for all the help, and I know better than to ask about what is the best oil is, thank,s agian. Bobby. P.s. with out asking all my stuped question,s I wouldn't of known to run a baldwin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbylisa View Post
    That,s fine i am learning, I,m trying to get it right, changed cam,s got it were it needs to to be, needed some help, Scott (steel comp) spent some time with me on the phones getting the rocker arm geometry right, so I could get the push rod length correct, had checker springs on already so I was checking what the installed height is (was) and it is not right, and a machine shop set them up, (they have been in business for 40 years) so I can probably get them closer i just need good info, sorry if I am wasting your reading time, and I will put a ad in the paper or something to get the right machine shop the first time with out asking dumb questions, thank for all the help, and I know better than to ask about what is the best oil is, thank,s agian. Bobby. P.s. with out asking all my stuped question,s I wouldn't of known to run a baldwin.
    You're not wasting my time, its your time and your money. Never said any of your questions were stupid either, DID I?? I don't consider very many questions as stupid, and when I do I don't answer them because they only deserve stupid answers. I did consider my answer as stupid, as much as advice.
    I made a suggestion, based off experience, nothing more.
    Case in point, if the shop with 40 years experience couldn't get the spring height correct, what make you think they anything else right, and how are you going to check? The springs are probably the easiest part of the assembly, and about the ONLY thing you can check.
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    Well I thought you were taking it personal, and I guess I will tear the motor back down and keep asking question,

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    If I shim the locator up .100 I will get my installed height right, no coil bind and it will not hit the guide seal, is it not a good idea to have that much shim under them ? Thank you.

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    You could probably accomplish the same result with reduced installed height keepers. OR use some spring locator shimss to take up the space... but in reality .100 in shims is not the end of the world... just easier ways to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagspe208 View Post
    You could probably accomplish the same result with reduced installed height keepers. OR use some spring locator shimss to take up the space... but in reality .100 in shims is not the end of the world... just easier ways to get there.

    I have been spending most of my time drinking and chasing broads. The rest I just waste.

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    I was under the impression the chasing broads part was all over now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blowncat 509 View Post
    Shims shouldn't have anything to do with installed height

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp298 View Post
    I was under the impression the chasing broads part was all over now...
    Is he still sticking to the "bikini model" story? Without pics, that story line doesn't hold water.



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    Default Guide seal too, Loose the umbrella!

    A suggestion. Make sure you have the correct stem seal/s too. I use GM Iron heads, and I use a PC type seal on them. With double springs, I use a .530 and I usually use a .500 with tripple. Std. 3/8 stems. This way I know I have no interference. I have come across beaten up shims too, so make sure the shim doesn't have a hugh ID to eliminate or have less chance of "walking" IMO (if this makes sense)

    Stem cutters and the guides are avail through Summitt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    Is he still sticking to the "bikini model" story? Without pics, that story line doesn't hold water.
    I am beginning to think she did some nude stuff... I haven't seen pictures either. I'm gonna jump her ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wagspe208 View Post
    I am beginning to think she did some nude stuff... I haven't seen pictures either. I'm gonna jump her ass.
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    Hey Steve, maybe afterwords you can send us the pictures eh???

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