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    Default Old race fuel question......

    Have a friend who was asking me about a drum of VP 116 that he bought new and never opened about 5 years ago.

    If it was opened and space for air (used some) I would say toss it.
    Never being opened, not so sure????

    What do you guys think?

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    I wouldn't be afraid to run it and see. What could it hurt? Worst can happen is you have chainsaw and lawn mower gas for years to come. You could also mix it 50/50 for dirt bikes adn atv's.
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    I am thinking there's a lot it could hurt!!!!

    Or is that sarcasm on your part????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim W View Post
    I am thinking there's a lot it could hurt!!!!

    Or is that sarcasm on your part????

    Jim
    Sell it to that Dan guy.
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    VP should have info on their site about storage times and degredation. I personally would only use it (as was stated) in lawn mowers and such.



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    Somewhere I read that gas losses 1 octane point a month... 12 X 5 = 60, 116 - 60 = 56 octane... maybe a good weed killer, or even a fertilizer???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71hallett View Post
    Sell it to that Dan guy.
    Ohhhhhhhh baby, man........Paul!!!!!!!! Dude!!!! good idea!

    Think he would fall for the old
    it's not dated 5/16/00 it's 5/16/08 cant you tell????????????
    Really Dan, really.......they make their 8's funny out there!!!!!
    Danny boy old buddy, this drum of 116 is a FOOK of a good deal!!!

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    I was told that if it is never opened to air and can't gas off it keeps for quite a while, but don't know about that long, can you open it and do a specific gravity test? That may answer a lot of questions...The barrel might just be full of retired bank executives (worthless)

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    you guys crack me up. exactly what do you think happened to that gas while it was in that drum. Did some of the light ends get out, the lead deteriated, it really doesn't even matter if the drum has been opened, as long as it was sealed tight, and not open for any extended periods, that would allow the light ends to evap. You are aware that a open drum of fuel contains zero air, right? So when you recap it, there is zero air in the drum. Fumes can't leave the drum at the same time air is going in, and fumes are always leaving the drum. Reminds of customers that want their freon changed in their A/C units because the old stuff is worn out. If the crap wasn't in NY I would buy the stuff in second.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    you guys crack me up. exactly what do you think happened to that gas while it was in that drum. Did some of the light ends get out, the lead deteriated, it really doesn't even matter if the drum has been opened, as long as it was sealed tight, and not open for any extended periods, that would allow the light ends to evap. You are aware that a open drum of fuel contains zero air, right? So when you recap it, there is zero air in the drum. Fumes can't leave the drum at the same time air is going in, and fumes are always leaving the drum. Reminds of customers that want their freon changed in their A/C units because the old stuff is worn out. If the crap wasn't in NY I would buy the stuff in second.
    I will tell my snow blower that in a couple weeks. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim W View Post
    I am thinking there's a lot it could hurt!!!!

    Or is that sarcasm on your part????

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    No, it wasn't sarcastic at all. Drum sealed, no oxidization going on, no evap, no nothing. A sealed, un-opened drum of fuel dosen't just "go bad".

    What could it hurt?
    You put a few gallons in something and run it.

    What could it hurt even if it is bad, if you're testing it? If you're stupid, and just go fill the tank, head to the river or track and hammer it, and you detonate the thing to death maybe yes. That would be stupid, wouldn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 71hallett View Post
    I will tell my snow blower that in a couple weeks. lol
    does your snow blower have a sealed unvented fuel tank? everyone assumes because fuel goes bad in car, motorcycle, snowblower that it just goes bad "because". It doesn't, you'd be amazed at how old some of the race fuel you really is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    does your snow blower have a sealed unvented fuel tank? everyone assumes because fuel goes bad in car, motorcycle, snowblower that it just goes bad "because". It doesn't, you'd be amazed at how old some of the race fuel you really is.
    I get your point. I just dont know if I would try out an 8 year old $500 drum of fuel in my new $20,000+ engine.
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    gn & steelcomp are right.

    The fuel should be fine.

    Two reasons fuel go bad ... 1) oxidization and 2) the loss of light hydrocarbons.

    Loosing the light hydrocarbons is what will lower the surface tension of the fuel and change the flash point.

    The only way these two can happen is if the drum was opened and allowed to vent to the atmosphere.

    If it is a sealed drum, it should be fine.

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