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    Pulled the filter today and cut it open. I run one of those system 1 magnets that sticks to the side of the oil filter. Well when i cut the filter open i could see where the magnet was because it looked different. When i draggen my finger through it it looked like a paste consisting of metal and oil. It was pretty fine for the most part but i did find a few small chunks. Is this normal wear or should i be worried?






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    To avoid ANY questions, send it to a sampling company if you are that worried.
    They will tell you EXACTLY what is in the oil, how much, and what causes it.

    Keep in mind, while crank and rod material are magnetic, and not normally wear items, rings and cylinder liner ARE wear items, and magnetic.
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    IMHO something is going bye bye...have it analyzed by a reputable co....

    Send then a 2oz. oil sample too.

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    well the pans off, i could pull all the caps and take a look.

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    Did you use a moly based cam breakin lube on a flat tappet? 20 years ago I used to slather that chit all over that cam. And on the pushrods, rocker balls, dry piston skirts you name it. All ends up in the pan. When there done, you will start to see flecks of copper. Maybe you have seen this before. Hope its all good inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    well the pans off, i could pull all the caps and take a look.
    That wouldn't hurt since it's open, I'd do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHINEHEAD1 View Post
    Did you use a moly based cam breakin lube on a flat tappet? 20 years ago I used to slather that chit all over that cam. And on the pushrods, rocker balls, dry piston skirts you name it. All ends up in the pan. When there done, you will start to see flecks of copper. Maybe you have seen this before. Hope its all good inside.
    WHen i assembled the motor i used alot of lube, for the cam/lifters/pushrods/etc i used MPZ cam lube. I've pulled this pan once before and i saw all the lube in the bottom sitting there, i cleaned it best i could befor reinstalling but this is my first filter i've ran with this system 1 magnet on it.

    Where are places in orange county i can take this sample? How much should i expect it to run?

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    pulled all mains but the rear cap, here's the pics.











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    Oh ya, if any of you want to see huge detailed pictures follow this link, click on the picture you want to see and in the top right corner you'll see a original size link. It will be huge and detailed!

    http://www.reitanfamily.com/gallery/...m02/?g2_page=5

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    Those look good...with the exception of the radius cut towards the rear of the front main journal on the crank...that kinda looks like crap, but seems to be irrelivant in this case.

    Yank a couple of rod caps and see how the rod bearings look...those will usually go before the mains. From your pictures, the bearings and crank are wearing very nicely. Wouldn't hurt to measure your clearance on a rod bearing just to be safe before buttoning everything back up.

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    Bearings don't look bad or out of the ordinary. I agree with pulling the rod bearings and see how they look. Crank does have a little chatter on that one main filet but that is compliements of GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Where are places in orange county i can take this sample? How much should i expect it to run?

    Shaun call a local Caterpillar dealership, maybe Johnson, ask for the parts department. Then ask someone if you could drop off an oil sample for a gasoline engine to have checked and see what it would cost to use their service. Also check Amsoil on-line they may have the service also.

    The bearings look okay.

    Good luck.

    Edit: Try a Napa Parts store that deals with heavy equipment. They maybe albe to send it off also.

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    Well i got pics of all the bearings but managed to forget to take pics of two of the journals. They basically look the same as the other two... THese bearings look... to me... to have alot more wear, #1 doesnt look good to me. I've never read bearings before.

    pics start from the rear to the front

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    Again for closer/detailed pics follow this link... http://www.reitanfamily.com/gallery/...m02/?g2_page=6

    Also, the main bearings are Kings, the rods i beleive are clevite.

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