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    With the risk of Getting flamed, called names etc. I have still decided to ask this question.

    I have no clue on how to set my timing on my boat. The pics I have seen are no where near like my boat. The timing tab almost covers the balancer to a point where you can not even see the numbers underneath. So far its been timed by ear and really haven't had any complaints but now I want to tear into it and really start looking for the ponies and I realized this needs to be done the right way. any suggestions.

    Heres a pic of what it looks like; I have since cleaned it up, this was taken a while ago.

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    IMO you want to worry about total timing, in other words after all the advance is in. You may want to consider locking you advance out. Do you have a dial back timing light? If not timing tape for the balancer would be the next best thing. As far as how much total timing to shoot for ......that's another story.(with a blower I'm clueless there) Edit" after re-reading your post are you just concerned because you can't see the mark?? Maybe mark the front of the balancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H20MOFO View Post
    IMO you want to worry about total timing, in other words after all the advance is in. You may want to consider locking you advance out. Do you have a dial back timing light? If not timing tape for the balancer would be the next best thing. As far as how much total timing to shoot for ......that's another story.(with a blower I'm clueless there) Edit" after re-reading your post are you just concerned because you can't see the mark?? Maybe mark the front of the balancer.
    To put in a simpler term. I have never set timing in my life I have a grip on initial timing and total timing. the other problem was how in the hell do you see the numbers on the balancer? i highly doubt there all like this.
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    If you can see the line for TDC, then I would use a dial back timing light to 0 on your timing indicator. Just get some white paint or white out to mark the balancer, or paint it black first then the white out so it stands out better. Also marking 0 on the timing tab will be easier on the eyes. I use a digital dialback on mine, but Ive compared to the dial type one I have and they read the same.

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    The #'s are on the pointer not the balancer. A dial back light is your friend here. Paint the balancer black and mark the tdc mark white(makes it easy to see) If you have a dial back light set it to 35* or whatever, rev the motor till all the advance is in, then line up the tdc line on the balancer with the 0 line one the pointer and your there.
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    The first thing to do is to disconnect the battery, then take the rockers off of the #1 hole and get a piston stop to screw into the hole, turn the engine over BY HAND, till it wont turn any further and make a mark at on your ballancer were Zero on your timing tab lines up with it, then turn the engine over the opposite direction till it hits the stop again and will turn no further and once again make a mark on the ballancer were zero on the tab lines up.
    Now look at the ballancer and the two marks that you made should be exactly the same distance and on either side of the tdc indicator on your balancer, If they're not exactly the same distance from it then your balancer has slipped and really should be replaced, but to get it timed you could make a new mark half way between your two marks that you made with the stop in.
    Now that you know were TDC trully is , and have your mark made were you can see it , you will either need a timing tape to put on you balancer or a dial back timing light. I like the dial back light, rev it up to 3500 , turn the knob till the mark lines up to zero , then look at the knob to see were your at, adjust from there.
    If thats a little pump gas, blower deal on a small block that your not leaning on real hard , I'd put about 34-36 degrees total in it and call it a day.
    Turning your dizzy to the right retards it and to the left advances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hass828 View Post
    The first thing to do is to disconnect the battery, then take the rockers off of the #1 hole and get a piston stop to screw into the hole, turn the engine over BY HAND, till it wont turn any further and make a mark at on your ballancer were Zero on your timing tab lines up with it, then turn the engine over the opposite direction till it hits the stop again and will turn no further and once again make a mark on the ballancer were zero on the tab lines up.
    Now look at the ballancer and the two marks that you made should be exactly the same distance and on either side of the tdc indicator on your balancer, If they're not exactly the same distance from it then your balancer has slipped and really should be replaced, but to get it timed you could make a new mark half way between your two marks that you made with the stop in.
    Now that you know were TDC trully is , and have your mark made were you can see it , you will either need a timing tape to put on you balancer or a dial back timing light. I like the dial back light, rev it up to 3500 , turn the knob till the mark lines up to zero , then look at the knob to see were your at, adjust from there.
    If thats a little pump gas, blower deal on a small block that your not leaning on real hard , I'd put about 34-36 degrees total in it and call it a day.
    Turning your dizzy to the right retards it and to the left advances.
    You're assuming the pointer was put on correctly in the first place. If you didn't set it then I'd give the balancer a chance go through the motions Hass mentioned to find TDC. Id get rid of that pointer and come up with one of the nice billet deals-will make it a lot easier to see the marks as it doesn't cover the balancer so much...Then, keep an eye on the balancer and make sure the timing isn't changing on its own(outer ring spinning on hub).

    If you already have a timing light without the "dial" you dont need one with the dial. Standard one will work fine. Hook up to #1 cylinder & time it(once you know where TDC is at). I dont know how much boost that little blower is making but I'd find out what "conservative" is for a blower motor as far as total timing is, then bring the revs to 3k(timing should be all in by then) and set it there, and then experiment as you like. If you rev to 3500 and its still advancing then obviously the 3k mentioned isn't quite right...Timing at idle will be what it is. As long as full advance is established- you should be ready to run.
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    Do as Hass828 said, dont trust kragen pointer. Find the real TDC and go from there. Since you dont have numbers on your balancer i would use a dial back timing light.

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    what Hass said take all the plugs out so it turns over easy by hand and you should be lookin at them anyway until you get it tuned right ,you want to come up easy to the stop and not slam into it too hard . with-out knowing the build and on 91 octane pump gas I'd start with 30* and sneak up to 34* while keeping a close watch for detonation
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    Quote Originally Posted by H20MOFO View Post
    The #'s are on the pointer not the balancer. A dial back light is your friend here. Paint the balancer black and mark the tdc mark white(makes it easy to see) If you have a dial back light set it to 35* or whatever, rev the motor till all the advance is in, then line up the tdc line on the balancer with the 0 line one the pointer and your there.
    This method I usually find is easiest for most mild type engines.

    Rev to 3000rpm, adj to "zero" on the timing tab. Stop engine and lock the distributor down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hass828 View Post
    The first thing to do is to disconnect the battery, then take the rockers off of the #1 hole and get a piston stop to screw into the hole, turn the engine over BY HAND, till it wont turn any further and make a mark at on your ballancer were Zero on your timing tab lines up with it, then turn the engine over the opposite direction till it hits the stop again and will turn no further and once again make a mark on the ballancer were zero on the tab lines up.
    Now look at the ballancer and the two marks that you made should be exactly the same distance and on either side of the tdc indicator on your balancer, If they're not exactly the same distance from it then your balancer has slipped and really should be replaced, but to get it timed you could make a new mark half way between your two marks that you made with the stop in.
    Now that you know were TDC trully is , and have your mark made were you can see it , you will either need a timing tape to put on you balancer or a dial back timing light. I like the dial back light, rev it up to 3500 , turn the knob till the mark lines up to zero , then look at the knob to see were your at, adjust from there.
    If thats a little pump gas, blower deal on a small block that your not leaning on real hard , I'd put about 34-36 degrees total in it and call it a day.
    Turning your dizzy to the right retards it and to the left advances.
    Here's the advice I would recommend. Without knowing exactly where your TDC is makes everything else guess work. Once you find it, paint it, scratch it, line up new timing tape to it, but know exactly where TDC is and timing from there can be easier. Some trial and error can find a sweet spot if your forced to field test it. A dyno would be the best way to confirm what the package really wants.
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    Ditto on what Haas said. For me, I'd use the edge of the timing tab and ignore the stock timing mark all together...start from scratch and make a line all the way across the balancer. I think it would be easier to read. Come up with a true TDC mark and either get the correct timing tape for whatever diameter your balancer is, or get a good dial back light and just work form TDC. Timing "advance" is how far before TDC the spark sparks, and with your set up I agree, you should be in the 28-34 range depending on other factors.
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