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    If BeeHive valve springs are so good then why do they only make them for street and mild race applications ? Hydraulic rollers up to .750" lift but no solid rollers that I seen.

    Just wondering; not interested in switching my Tool Room springs.

    Anyone use them on any thing ?

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    I have the same questions you do, but my application is pretty easy so I used them anyway. I installed them in my Spectra with an LS6 using a Crower flat tappet that has less than .600" lift and I don't run the engine past 6,000. I used all components that Comp suggested plus I added the stainless roller rockers. You'll notice I did use umbrella seals on the exhaust valves as I like them to get a little lube - kinda old school. I was a bit shocked by how close the retainers came to the end of the valve stems, but otherwise everything went together nicely and seat forces relative to shimmed heights were very consistent. They've been in there for 3 seasons now and everything looks good. I realize it's a lame-o application compared to what many of you guys run, but you said anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper CP View Post
    If BeeHive valve springs are so good then why do they only make them for street and mild race applications ? Hydraulic rollers up to .750" lift but no solid rollers that I seen.

    Just wondering; not interested in switching my Tool Room springs.

    Anyone use them on any thing ?

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    In your opinion, what's "so good" about them?
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    Nothing is free. They are lighter at the top, ovate, all the good stuff - but: I read somewhere that it causes them to become unstable at very high spring rates and/or RPM. Which makes sense. That may be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    In your opinion, what's "so good" about them?
    Not mine....Comps and quite a few magazines. Just like eerything else they have their place and limitaions I would guess ?

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    IF YOUR GOING BIG DON'T USE THEM , had them on Raylar motor and one let go turning my motor to mush. Raylar doesn't use them anymore.

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    Why dont you ask the Crowers. I believe Bruce had/desinged them in the late 60's early 70's. Back then you ran them big side up tho. Also hard to stack springs for open pressure in a cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motormonkey View Post
    Why dont you ask the Crowers.
    Danny Crower is definitely a non-believer in them. There are several Engine Master teams that ran them with much success ( or liked them I should say) for flat tappet cams to 6,500 rpm.

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    What's the most psi out their for a beehive - seat and open ?

    Any dual spring Beehive out there ? Triple ?

    If the spring breaks, there is no inner or outer to help fight off dropping a valve. With a dual, you have a chance on not having a big $$$ issue, but a single - ahhhh.

    Back to HR's, Many like the beehive offered for the BBC (155 seat or is it 165?) but in the boating environment I'm (and many others are) in (10,20,30,40 minutes) at sustained rpm I'd rather 'go safe' and have a dual spring set-up. On the SBC's I'm running them now and so far so good. Not a ton of rpm though, but many hrs at WOT or close to it. We'll see.

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    Stock springs that come in 454 mags, 502 mags, 6.2s, and 496s are all single springs. No problems there, except for long term/several YEARS of use.

    Running doubles or triples defeats the original purpose of lightening the valvetrain. The top of the valve becomes heavy again, so you might as well run standard shaped springs.

    It is obvious by appearance that beehives are for mildly cammed small and big blocks for high performance cruising. Not for all out racing.
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    Must have been last month (November) HotRod had a pretty good article explaining best springs for various applications. Remarks were made that sounded like double springs and some others were yesterdays news while ovates were bringing some new technology with them. It was a pretty good read on the subject...

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    zo6 yellow gm beehive springs are good to 6500rpms easy hyd roller, i used elgin beehives on my turbo ls and have them seating at 155 and open at nearly 500psi, so techinically you could run like a solid street roller cam on em i guess, im using a turbo ls cam and ls7 new design hyd rollers tho, no adjusting valves next summer elgin says the springs i used at 7500rpm capable, so i used ls7 lifters to match that 7500. the elgin at stock hieght were rated for 650 lift tho, im only at 545, turbo engine dont need the big lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rschap1 View Post
    Must have been last month (November) HotRod had a pretty good article explaining best springs for various applications. Remarks were made that sounded like double springs and some others were yesterdays news while ovates were bringing some new technology with them. It was a pretty good read on the subject...
    that seems to be the case, every high revving motor ive been into over the past decade have had beehives from the factory, and hardly any spring failures

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