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    Default Quick! Anyone know CPR?

    This section needs to be resuscitated!

    Any winter engine projects out there? Engine theory you want to discuss?

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    4 hours and no reply.. ever since Bob passed (RIP buddy), open discussion doesn't exist , unless your willing to throw out a Credit Card # for advice .

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    Cool

    OK..I'll bite, Done with 110, going back to pump gas..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone Green View Post
    OK..I'll bite, Done with 110, going back to pump gas..
    Just swapping pistons out?

    I've been wondering just how far you could get into race gas territory with pump gas and water (or water/methanol) injection.

    Would be sweet to keep all or most of your compression.

    Have you considered it at all?

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    A snippet from the Snow Performance site:
    ...Run 10:1 to 14.5:1 compression ratio (or more) on pump gas...
    Their kit with a carb spacer plate and digital progressive controller can activate at whatever manifold pressure/vacuum you need and ramp up with rpm. Start spraying at say 4"hg, all in at 2"hg... or whatever.

    I think it's a pretty cool solution for the guys that have to run race gas, to be able to fuel up at a pump instead.

    Just a thought.

    Stage 2 Muscle Car (N/A) (Single 4150 Carb)

    These guys seem to be a little more "professional" than "marketing" (or perhaps just better at marketing LOL) ProMeth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budweiser View Post
    A snippet from the Snow Performance site:


    Their kit with a carb spacer plate and digital progressive controller can activate at whatever manifold pressure/vacuum you need and ramp up with rpm. Start spraying at say 4"hg, all in at 2"hg... or whatever.

    I think it's a pretty cool solution for the guys that have to run race gas, to be able to fuel up at a pump instead.

    Just a thought.

    Stage 2 Muscle Car (N/A) (Single 4150 Carb)

    These guys seem to be a little more "professional" than "marketing" (or perhaps just better at marketing LOL) ProMeth
    Took me a few to figure out ProMeth used to be Alcohol Injection Systems. I've met with Rodney and have his system on my engine. He's all about the correct solution for you rather than simply making a sale. If he doesn't think it will work he'll tell you straight up. I'm running a Procharged BBC 468 with 9 psi of boost. 1 gallon F&L racing methanol and 2 gallons distilled water. I have experimented with the ratio's and have gone right back to where Rodney had me start. I did find the boost referenced switch to turn the system on wasn't for me, I only want the injection to come on at full throttle for my application. I noticed if I went say 3/4 throttle a few times then hit it, the engine seemed to feel flat for a second or 2 then it would clear out and take off. Probably would have worked better if I took the time to adjust a bit more. I made a bracket for a nitrous switch to turn on at full throttle position. Works great.

    My injection system was $450. I picked up a 100 rpm on the top end which surprised the both of us.

    I can run 91 octane. When at the river I run a 50/50 mix of 100 & 91 with a little Marvel Mystery oil. Next season will try another pulley I have, 12 psi boost.

    In the pic you can see the tank in back, injection nozzles on each side the the carb hat. Once you figure out where everything will go it's a simple installation.

    Wouldn't hurt to have a conversation with Rodney to see what his thoughts are about your application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budweiser View Post
    Just swapping pistons out?

    I've been wondering just how far you could get into race gas territory with pump gas and water (or water/methanol) injection.

    Would be sweet to keep all or most of your compression.

    Have you considered it at all?
    Not really...I'm swapping out the 498 to a 548 that's been sitting for a couple of years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone Green View Post
    Not really...I'm swapping out the 498 to a 548 that's been sitting for a couple of years
    Now, THAT... is a sensible sollution

    Tell me more about your ride, engine, and performance goals. I'm dying for some decent reading material in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetsonly View Post
    Took me a few to figure out ProMeth used to be Alcohol Injection Systems. I've met with Rodney and have his system on my engine. He's all about the correct solution for you rather than simply making a sale. If he doesn't think it will work he'll tell you straight up....
    I read a post from him, I think on YB, that gave me that very impression.

    My project engine, a twin turbo intercooled EFI 5.3LS (which I should resume shortly after the first of the year) should run great and provide more than I (or the boat) need/s on 91. However, I'm VERY interested in being able to fuel up anywhere on the water. Which means, being able to do it on 87 would be a huge bonus. Sometimes premium isn't available. It would make the whole package even more user and destination friendly.

    I think I will get in touch with him when the project gets to that point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budweiser View Post
    Now, THAT... is a sensible sollution

    Tell me more about your ride, engine, and performance goals. I'm dying for some decent reading material in here.
    Fuck if I was sensible I would have invested money, not spend it on these things
    Just a 79 CP, no need to be King Shit...getting older
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    that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone Green View Post
    Fuck if I was sensible I would have invested money, not spend it on these things
    Isn't that the truth!
    Quote Originally Posted by Gone Green View Post
    Just a 79 CP, no need to be King Shit...getting older
    Gen 4 Bowtie,SRP pistons, scat guts,cam re ground by Barry's friend, new to me Edelbrock tunnel ram, Davici flowed my 750s to 910
    that's about it
    King Shit... That's for egomaniacs, millionaires, and kids under 40. Not that we don't still play the game now and again.

    Sounds like a solid build. Do you think you'll keep your performance with the additional cubes? What heads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budweiser View Post
    Isn't that the truth!


    King Shit... That's for egomaniacs, millionaires, and kids under 40. Not that we don't still play the game now and again.

    Sounds like a solid build. Do you think you'll keep your performance with the additional cubes? What heads?
    Yea I think it should run about the same...nailing down a tune for 14:25 isn't easy
    Heads are Eddis 60409

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gone Green View Post
    Yea I think it should run about the same...nailing down a tune for 14:25 isn't easy
    Heads are Eddis 60409
    Had to look that up.. Edelbrock Vic Jr. 325's

    Real good match for the cubes.

    What do you mean by "nailing down a tune for 14:25 isn't easy"? 14.25:1 static compression? If so, I would imagine as such. Shit, that's on the edge for a lot of ugliness in anything but a diesel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budweiser View Post
    My project engine, a twin turbo intercooled EFI 5.3LS (which I should resume shortly after the first of the year) should run great and provide more than I (or the boat) need/s on 91. However, I'm VERY interested in being able to fuel up anywhere on the water. Which means, being able to do it on 87 would be a huge bonus. Sometimes premium isn't available. It would make the whole package even more user and destination friendly.
    With EFI you have multi fuel capability.
    Make a program for whatever fuel you want to run.
    I made a gas program for my setup and set the rev limiter low so it could never hurt itself.
    It has gas in the system for the winter.
    I also have an E85 program and a Methanol program.
    I have a drum of E98 so a little tweaking on my E85 program and I'll have that capability too.

    This is one area where I like the FAST XFI better than the Holley HP system.
    The FAST uses a fuel energy constant and will read in Lambda.
    The Holley does not use a fuel energy constant and will only read in A/F ratios.
    You have to input A/F ratios on the target map with the Holley system which is time consuming.
    Once the target map is setup the Holley self tunes the main fuel table easier and better than the FAST.

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