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    Where do I start. Cliff's notes version: Don't buy one. I bought my 21 Daytona with this motor, which was advertised as having 10 hours on the 572 crate motor. Well, about two hours into my first day out with the boat, It loses oil psi and overheats. BUMMER!

    Luckily I own a shop and have grown up drag racing cars with BBC motors, so I took the motor out, and tore it down.

    I'm pretty sure the previous owner was truthful about it having low hours since the flat tappets didn't even have a wear pattern yet. I managed to shut it down prior to hurting the crank and rods. The main problem? Whoever put the boat oil pan on used to much silicone and it flaked off clogging the oil gallies. Talk about a retard move! But it's what I and the machine shop found that is a concern.

    First off, the intake valves were hitting the Manley pistons. Wow! A so called "Engine builder" Bill Mitchell assembled this. The valve reliefs were in the wrong place! The intake valves(All of them) were hitting the back side of the reliefs. Isnt this is a pretty basic thing to check when building a motor!

    Next the intake valves were too long, requiring about a quarter inch of shim for the valve spring. As a result of the shims, all the valve seals came off of the guides. The machine shop told me the installed height and it was redicules, but I cant remember the exact number. I had to replace all the intake valves. Goodtimes!

    The Exhaust valve are too short, Not sure how much, I'll post it when I pick the motor up next week and get the build sheet. But we were able to make them work.

    None of the rod and pistons were even balanced, they came out of the box and were assembled

    The crank was 38g out of balance.

    The rings were already worn out, Either the carb was set up wrong washing them out(Possible) Or the polished(Too fine of a final hone?) cylinders never allowed the rings to seat.

    I haven't checked the pushrod length yet, I can only imagine they will be the wrong length.

    Lastly, I highly doubt the .568 lift [email protected] 114 sep (called for .030 lash, puts it at a .538 valve lift) flat tappet solid cam would allow this big motor to breath well enough to make the advertised 700hp. So I put a custom Crower roller in it(.658 lift 256/[email protected] on a 114) It will be on the Dyno next week.

    All told I'm in it $6600 at the machine shop. Ok, I added the roller($1600) so make it 5k to fix the new crate motor. I would have been better off buying the boat without the motor, And building my own motor. Then it wouldn't have a crappy Eagle rotating assembly. But when I bought it I thought it would be a turn key reliable boat(Thats how it was advertised). Who would have thought Bill Mitchell would let such a POS leave his shop. After talking with my machine shop, It sounds like the norm from that place.

    The Good? The question mark in back of the boat is now a solid piece. GAME ON!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WINspeed View Post
    Where do I start. Cliff's notes version: Don't buy one. I bought my 21 Daytona with this motor, which was advertised as having 10 hours on the motor. Well, about two hours into my first day out with the boat, It loses oil psi and overheats. BUMMER!

    Luckily I own a shop and have grown up drag racing cars with BBC motors, so I took the motor out, and tore it down.

    I'm pretty sure the previous owner was truthful about it having low hours since the flat tappets didn't even have a wear pattern yet. I managed to shut it down prior to hurting the crank and rods. The main problem? Whoever put the boat oil pan on used to much silicone and it flaked off clogging the oil gallies. Talk about a retard move! But it's what I and the machine shop found that is a concern.

    First off, the intake valves were hitting the Manley pistons. Wow! A so called "Engine builder" Bill Mitchell assembled this. The valve reliefs were in the wrong place! The intake valves(All of them) were hitting the back side of the reliefs. Isnt this is a pretty basic thing to check when building a motor!

    Next the intake valves were too long, requiring about a quarter inch of shim for the valve spring. As a result of the shims, all the valve seals came off of the guides. The machine shop told me the installed height and it was redicules, but I cant remember the exact number. I had to replace all the intake valves. Goodtimes!

    The Exhaust valve are too short, Not sure how much, I'll post it when I pick the motor up next week and get the build sheet. But we were able to make them work.

    None of the rod and pistons were even balanced, they came out of the box and were assembled

    The crank was 38g out of balance.

    The rings were already worn out, Either the carb was set up wrong washing them out(Possible) Or the polished(Too fine of a final hone?) cylinders never allowed the rings to seat.

    I haven't checked the pushrod length yet, I can only imagine they will be the wrong length.

    Lastly, I highly doubt the .568 lift [email protected] 114 sep (called for .030 lash, puts it at a .538 valve lift) flat tappet solid cam would allow this big motor to breath well enough to make the advertised 700hp. So I put a custom Crower roller in it(.658 lift 256/[email protected] on a 114) It will be on the Dyno next week.

    All told I'm in it $6600 at the machine shop. Ok, I added the roller($1600) so make it 5k to fix the new crate motor. I would have been better off buying the boat without the motor, And building my own motor. Then it wouldn't have a crappy Eagle rotating assembly. But when I bought it I thought it would be a turn key reliable boat(Thats how it was advertised). Who would have thought Bill Mitchell would let such a POS leave his shop. After talking with my machine shop, It sounds like the norm from that place.

    The Good? The question mark in back of the boat is now a solid piece. GAME ON!!!
    Damn that sux. At least it sounds like you'll have her runnin' soon.

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    Ya I was sick to my stomach, I've been eating top roman trying to save enough to get it back on the water.

    Most of my playing is done at Shasta but I'm game to go anywhere. Where do you go out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WINspeed View Post
    Ya I was sick to my stomach, I've been eating top roman trying to save enough to get it back on the water.

    Most of my playing is done at Shasta but I'm game to go anywhere. Where do you go out?
    Yeah it sux when ya gotta rebuild a motor due to someone else's mistake. I was in that same boat (pun intended) over the winter and this spring since I blew it up last October. However, my machinist wasn't the only one who made mistakes...I was at fault as well on some of it. But she's a better motor now and I used a much better machinist this time.

    As for me, I'm a delta snob myself.

    Your location says East Bay CA...you're not too far from it.



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    I love the Delta, I grew up skiing out there. I haven't been out there for probably 7 years, and I know that's a place you need to know pretty well so you don't end up in a foot of water. I'm planning on learning it again as soon as the motor is back.

    You can always find good water out there! Any suggestions?

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    So when you say $1600 for a roller cam, that is including springs,cam and lifters right?

    Sucks to have a fresh engine turn out to be a yardsale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futs View Post
    So when you say $1600 for a roller cam, that is including springs,cam and lifters right?

    Sucks to have a fresh engine turn out to be a yardsale.
    Yep that was for the Billet roller w/cast gear, the best rollers Crower makes, springs, and Ti retainers. All said and done, it was around $1600.

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    Boat= Break Out Another Thousand!

    Sorry to here that. At least now you can boat with a little better peice of mind now that its right!

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    I would hardly think Bill Mitchell asssembled that engine.

    Maybe he spec'd it out? and put his name on it. His combination of parts and assembly outsourced somewhere by World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WINspeed View Post
    Yep that was for the Billet roller w/cast gear, the best rollers Crower makes, springs, and Ti retainers. All said and done, it was around $1600.
    Not sure "crower" makes their own rollers...maybe Morel does it for them?
    C.Straub or Steel may know for sure.
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    I would use a set of Morels or Isky's.
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    My Morel's looked to be beefy units...thanks for the suggestion C.Straub
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstraub View Post
    I would use a set of Morels or Isky's.
    Does Morel have a pressure fed pin oiling option on their solids? Maybe PM a reply with pricing.

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    Well yea duh. and a micro polished finish

    Quote Originally Posted by obnoxious001 View Post
    Does Morel have a pressure fed pin oiling option on their solids? Maybe PM a reply with pricing.

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