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    Cool Emc 2009

    Fords are currently holding the top 4 positions, with 5 of the top 8 entries (run so far) being Fords. Two more days of dyno runs to go.

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    You beat me to it, I was going to post something tonight. The last I saw I thought a smblk Chevy was leading I must have read something wrong. Do you know what Adney Brown built this year ?

    The rules this year are killer, there maybe a 1,000 hp 11.5:1 pump gas engine out there. With production "type" heads maybe not enough to support it put maybe 900+. I like the 3,000-7,000 rpm pulls this year.

    I want to see what Bishoff and Kaase show up with

    http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng...ers/index.html

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    Wow, a CHEVY on top.....imagine that!

    I know, I know.....the game ain't over yet.

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    My guess is Kaase will show-up with as many cubes as his new Boss 429 heads will support, not 1 cu. in over or under. I don't know if that will be 480" or 533" or maybe bigger. Other than Kaase I'd guess the stroker sm blks will be hard to beat cu. in for cubic in. It will be interesting if anyone can get an EFI engine to run with the carbs. Allowing the dual carbs is great this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper CP View Post
    My guess is Kaase will show-up with as many cubes as his new Boss 429 heads will support, not 1 cu. in over or under. I don't know if that will be 480" or 533" or maybe bigger. Other than Kaase I'd guess the stroker sm blks will be hard to beat cu. in for cubic in. It will be interesting if anyone can get an EFI engine to run with the carbs. Allowing the dual carbs is great this year.

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    How large are those ports?! (they might be tOO big)(jus say'n)(he always seems to fill them in)

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    Ther'ye not huge ports he designed them to be a hi-performance street/race head not an all out racer. They have run great on his 433" mule or his 520" mule engines. I think they made approx 60 more hp than his P-51 (Cobra Jet) heads on the same engine. I don't know what he built this year, he might show up with a CHI stroker smblk but I doubt it.


    Opps I was wrong:

    These heads will make about 100 HP more than the best P-51/SCJ head in similar builds using 460-521 cubic inches. At 600 cubic inch,expect about a 150 HP increase.

    http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com...article&id=219

    I think one of the tests he posted last year was 80 hp at 6,500 on the 520" engine vs his P-51 head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper CP View Post
    You beat me to it, I was going to post something tonight. The last I saw I thought a smblk Chevy was leading I must have read something wrong. Do you know what Adney Brown built this year ?

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    Yes, Adney Brown built a BBC for this year's contest, but it did not make it to the event because that engine grenaded on the dyno at Holbrooks just last Thursday. And so instead he "acquired" the current engine that he put on the dyno. Contrary to EMC rules requirements, he did not build it/he did not test it/he did not tune it. It is the BES winning engine from the 2007 EMC contest: a SB Chevy, not a BB Chevy like he originally documented as his official entry. If you look on the cover of EMC magazine you will see the same longblock, but today it has the addition of a tunnel ram and dual carbs.

    How would you feel about entering such a rules-guided contest with your dedicated build, your blood, sweat, and tears...and the current high points leader did not build his engine but instead took another at the last minute and included his name on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakesOnly View Post
    Yes, Adney Brown built a BBC for this year's contest, but it did not make it to the event because that engine grenaded on the dyno at Holbrooks just last Thursday. And so instead he "acquired" the current engine that he put on the dyno. Contrary to EMC rules requirements, he did not build it/he did not test it/he did not tune it. It is the BES winning engine from the 2007 EMC contest: a SB Chevy, not a BB Chevy like he originally documented as his official entry. If you look on the cover of EMC magazine you will see the same longblock, but today it has the addition of a tunnel ram and dual carbs.

    How would you feel about entering such a rules-guided contest with your dedicated build, your blood, sweat, and tears...and the current high points leader did not build his engine but instead took another at the last minute and included his name on it?

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    I guess that might depend on whether it still has the same cam for the prior contest or who put the new cam in.

    That, and by the way the magazine presented the "adjustments" as minimal inferrs that it was setup correctly w/ the change in induction.

    What do the "rules" say about this?

    Did I mention, a Chevy is in the lead!
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    Paul,

    That's kind of chicken $hit..... I'd say. That BES Engine was damn strong. I wonder what Tony is going to run today.

    I'm surprised the MPG guys didn't run a TR on their engine If someone took the Kaase 2004 engine 410" with a TR to 7,000 that would be a stomper. I want to see some of the max hp numbers on these engines this year.

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    yes Mike, you did mention a Chebby was leading

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    Chevy in the lead? OK. If this contest is anything like last years competition I would question the judging, since when does the 2nd place finisher, a SBC that makes 599 HP/521 lbs beat the 3rd place finisher that produced a 673 HP/619 lbs. and BTW, with a overall HP and torque curve far less than even the 3rd place finisher? The displacement difference is only 6 cubic inches. [403" vs 409"] In fact that 2nd place SBC made 49 less HP than the 4th place finisher.....Seems like PHR extended a "professional courtesy" to the Chevy boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeF View Post
    Spurious?


    Did I mention, a Chevy is in the lead!
    Why yes....yes you did mention a Chevy is in the lead.....but you didn't mention that the strong contenders have yet to run. And I suppose that it would look bad for PHR and it's advertisers if a Ford won 4 years in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 058 View Post
    Chevy in the lead? OK. If this contest is anything like last years competition I would question the judging, since when does the 2nd place finisher, a SBC that makes 599 HP/521 lbs beat the 3rd place finisher that produced a 673 HP/619 lbs. and BTW, with a overall HP and torque curve far less than even the 3rd place finisher? The displacement difference is only 6 cubic inches. [403" vs 409"] In fact that 2nd place SBC made 49 less HP than the 4th place finisher.....Seems like PHR extended a "professional courtesy" to the Chevy boys.
    What were the averages on those engines. One year Kaase's Pontiac made nearly 70 more hp than anyone but he made such a low trq number from 2,500-4,500 that he got 3rd that year. It's about the avg not peak, but I think you know that.

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    Pretty much comes down to HP/TQ per c.i. average at a specified (lower) rpm.

    This is closer to the jetboat crowd.

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