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    Default Ford or Chevrolet.

    Without trying to start a "holy war" of sorts, I was just wondering which engine would make more sense to build up....

    I am looking to build a 1000 hp 5500 max rpm twin turbo engine.....

    Mounts, drives, and rigging are a non issue at this point....

    I already own an early 80's 460 that "ran fine when it was pulled "
    I have access to a set of Blue thunder heads with the Chevrolet exhaust pattern that just need a little work. I was thinking of going .030 over with a 4.5" stroke crank. ...buuut seeing as it's a 2 bolt block will it surive or will I have to get 4 bolt caps installed ... negating any "savings"

    Lastly, my machinest claims the Fords have "oiling issues".. Is this true or is he just a hater..???

    The Chevrolet, I would have to start from scratch as all I have left is a Gen VI 454 block...
    ...Buy a 4.6 " bore Dart block, Callies 4.375" crank. Eagle rods, JE pistons, Afr heads and a hydraulic roller cam....... (been down the chevy road before...)

    just looking for opinions....
    Thanks Doug

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    One cool thing I saw on one of the hot rod shows on sunday morning was a budget build competition of the 460 and 454. These numbers aren't exactly correct I don't think but close. Puting $3,000 into the 460 gave them a good runing 390 HP motor. Puting $2,200 into the 454 gave them a good runing 420 HP motor. Even though I have a 460 in my jet, it does seem to be true that Chevy parts are more readily availabe, and cheaper. I know w/o a doubt that I have paid more for the Ford parts than the Chevys. Good luck either way!

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    Don't let Lakes Only hear you, now adays its a toss up. If I was building a 1000hp engine I wouldn't use a stock block or anything stock for that matter.

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    you started it now!! give me a chevy paul lakes only its your turn hahaha

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    Lucky for this thread and everyone on it I am in the middle of NV on cruise control typing on an iPhone and not in front of a real keyboard where I could go insane. (Fiat & Morg , sorry no time to stop late for Bonneville.)

    (Twin turbo) + (500+ CI) + (1000 hp) + (below 6000 rpm) = Ford Ford Ford

    add to this the BT heads have the BBC flange whose port architecture will serve nice hot exhaust gases to the turbos and look out. Also, the bigger bore of the BBF (cylinder filling and scavenging), combined with the spread OEM valve layout of the BT heads (2.30" intake valve possible), and you are so way ahead of the game with a Ford combo.

    I know guys that beat the living schitt out of their BBF engines at 9000 rpm sustained with the oem internal pump and sleep well at night. Just need to know the oiling system which, I believe, undeservedly gets it's bad rap from the Ford FE engines.

    Use the forged crank and a main girdle and it should live PROVIDED a good tune (!) is maintained. It would be wise to do regular main bearing inpections, while keeping notes, until you see the story the engine is tellig you (such as, say, the build needing #2 & #4 lower shells changed every 5 hours perhaps .... or nothing of the sort). Also, aftermarket billet 4-bolt main cap conversions sufficient for this build are a measwly $75, and the machining/installation is perhaps $350 which ain't jack if youre building a twin turbo engine. If it were a personal engine for myself, I'd likely use the 2-bolt block; for a customer I would insist on the 4-bolt caps, period.

    Using aftermarket block and heads, etc? It doesn't matter which "brand you go with because at that point we are no longer discussing Fords and Chevys.

    man this is a long road......

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    Boatally Insane, one word of caution. to be able to do that to a Ford, you have to be able to write a full page disertation on a I phone, while barreling down the 93 thru Neveda. If you can't do that, don't mess with a Ford.

    I would have to pull over just to write "build a Ford"



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    Quote Originally Posted by One More Year View Post
    One cool thing I saw [font size=8] on one of the hot rod shows on sunday morning [\size]was a budget build competition of the 460 and 454. These numbers aren't exactly correct I don't think but close. Puting $3,000 into the 460 gave them a good runing 390 HP motor. Puting $2,200 into the 454 gave them a good runing 420 HP motor. Even though I have a 460 in my jet, it does seem to be true that Chevy parts are more readily availabe, and cheaper. I know w/o a doubt that I have paid more for the Ford parts than the Chevys. Good luck either way!
    What you "saw" was a televised magazine article written by reporters that don't know how to build the engines and who receive an overwhelming amount of advertising dollars from hot rod parts manufacturers whose primary business is BBC parts. Next time, check out an unbiased, non-influenced, true competiton where engine building experts are enterig their engine of choice and from which they know to get power (such as Engine Masters).

    Not a cloud in sight, track conditions should be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    Boatally Insane, one word of caution. to be able to do that to a Ford, you have to be able to write a full page disertation on a I phone, while barreling down the 93 thru Neveda. If you can't do that, don't mess with a Ford.

    I would have to pull over just to write "build a Ford"


    guilty as charged. BTW if I roll out here don't nobody print this thread out and mail it to NV highway patrol.
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    driving and texting still legal in Nevada, along with gambling and prostitution. Although I don't suggest you try all 4 at the same time But please Paul, do keep your eyes open.





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    I've ran several 900+ hp BBF's with factory blocks with no problems (in jetboats) One i had a 4-bolt block but two others had the 2-bolt mains but i had the block drilled and taped for 9/16 studs as well as the main caps, had the caps milled flat topped off with some 5/8 billet straps. Ran these motors for several years, 6700-6800 rpm at WOT with no issues. There are a few easy mods to do to the block such as screw in freeze plugs and block fill (to bottom of water pump holes) and cleaning up some of the oil ports, very easy stuff to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakesOnly View Post
    What you "saw" was a televised magazine article written by reporters that don't know how to build the engines and who receive an overwhelming amount of advertising dollars from hot rod parts manufacturers whose primary business is BBC parts. Next time, check out an unbiased, non-influenced, true competiton where engine building experts are enterig their engine of choice and from which they know to get power (such as Engine Masters).

    Not a cloud in sight, track conditions should be awesome.

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    Yeah, because unlike you, they're not biased at all.
    EM...now there's a "real world" example for the laymen.
    You need to concentrate on driving.

    Hey, while you're there, check out the no. 77 Lakester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    Yeah, because unlike you, they're not biased at all.
    The OP could have gotten a less bias answer from this guy.





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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    The OP could have gotten a less bias answer from this guy.

    William Clay hisself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn7 View Post
    driving and texting still legal in Nevada....
    I wondered about that after I posted, thx.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelcomp View Post
    You need to concentrate on driving.
    That reminds me: in case anyone is interested, Hyundai Elantra rental cars seem to have the speed governor set at 120-121 mph. (gimme a break their ain't nuthin' or nobody on Hwy 80 east of Elko NV.)

    Scott I'll keep an eye out for the 77 Lakester, maybe get a pic of it making a pass.

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