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    The next time I do an oil change on my almost stock BBC I'd like to maybe try a different oil filter. I've been using the Fram PH5 with no issues. However, I have enough room to fit a taller filter like a Fram HP4. The PH5 is 5.170" tall and the HP4 is 5.75" tall. I figure that the taller filter would allow for a little more capacity and that is always welcome since my motor uses a stock truck oil pan. I was comparing the stats on the both filters mentioned above and I found that the PH5 does not have a filter bypass relief valve as where the HP4 uses one. Also, Fram states that the relief valve on the PH5 opens at 8-10psi as to where the relief valve on the HP4 opens at 22psi. I'm a little confused on that last piece of info. Why would Fram say that the PH5 doesn't use a pressure relief valve and then say that it opens at 8-10 psi? I'm figuring that someone on this forum knows enough about oil filters to tell me what it is that I should be running.

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    To be honest... I'd venture away from the Fram and go with a Wix or Napa Gold... price is on par with the Fram and the quality of the construction is much better. If you have the room, you could run the 2qt filter... but I forget what the number is right at the moment.




    EDIT: It's 1794 I believe for the 2qt Napa Gold... old age... it's a bitch!
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    Look at the flow numbers of a k/n filter over others and they dont have a bypass. They are $$ but worth it.

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    The Wix racing filter does not have the by pass either Wix all the way !!!! JMO
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    If you have enough room you may want to try a NAPA GOLD 1794, they are the tall truck filter, some where around 8.25" tall and hold a quart and a half of oil.
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    Thanx for the info so far. However, I have 2 questions. 1) Why do I not want to run a filter with a bypass valve? 2) What is wrong with the Fram brand? Honestly, I've run Fram in all my vehicle with no issues. Also, I've been selling about 120-130 Fram filters a month for about 5 years now with zero comebacks or complaints from my customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2GLOCK View Post
    Thanx for the info so far. However, I have 2 questions. 1) Why do I not want to run a filter with a bypass valve? 2) What is wrong with the Fram brand? Honestly, I've run Fram in all my vehicle with no issues. Also, I've been selling about 120-130 Fram filters a month for about 5 years now with zero comebacks or complaints from my customers.
    You just opened a can of worms................................


    there must be 6 threads about that ( Fram filters) on here from some time back.

    this reminds me, I need to get my Jomar or Moroso filters ordered. I've heard good things about the Wix and Napa Gold filters though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N2GLOCK View Post
    Thanx for the info so far. However, I have 2 questions. 1) Why do I not want to run a filter with a bypass valve? 2) What is wrong with the Fram brand? Honestly, I've run Fram in all my vehicle with no issues. Also, I've been selling about 120-130 Fram filters a month for about 5 years now with zero comebacks or complaints from my customers.

    The easiest way to explain the difference is either saw a Fram open then saw open a Wix/Napa Gold and see for yourself.... or... go to a Napa store and take a look at their oil filter display. The Fram is like a tin can full of toilet paper compared to the Wix/Napa Gold as far as construction/materials/number of pleats/etc...

    I know people run Fram and "never have an issue"... hell, I bet Jiffy Lube sells the piss out of Ching Chang Wong brand filters and seldom have "issues" or complaints from customers. As for Frams, I know of people having them burst apart, collapse internally, plug themselves,etc... etc... but not having "an issue" is not the same thing as buying a quality part. So I mean you'll get anicdotial evidence from each and every side... but bang for the buck the Wix/Napa Gold is a damn good filter... just seeing the construction of one vs the other it is evident. IMO


    BTW... the point of the bypass is so that in the event of a filter plugging... and/or in the event it is not able to flow an adiquate amount of oil (cold oil, etc..) it will still allow oil to pass....but allow the engine to warm up, don't run 80wt oil, change your oil and don't try to go 3 years or 30k on it and you'll be fine. Also... on a chevrolet the filter adaptor has a bypass built in... many hot rod guys sometimes either plug it or buy aftermarket billet ones that do not have a bypass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper CP View Post
    You just opened a can of worms................................


    there must be 6 threads about that ( Fram filters) on here from some time back.

    this reminds me, I need to get my Jomar or Moroso filters ordered. I've heard good things about the Wix and Napa Gold filters though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by six-oh-nine View Post
    Why would you do that? You don't need filters if you don't run the boat!

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    I've had 2 Fram oil filters fail. Thats enough for me. Switched to Baldwin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2GLOCK View Post
    Thanx for the info so far. However, I have 2 questions. 1) Why do I not want to run a filter with a bypass valve? 2) What is wrong with the Fram brand? Honestly, I've run Fram in all my vehicle with no issues. Also, I've been selling about 120-130 Fram filters a month for about 5 years now with zero comebacks or complaints from my customers.
    Might be a god idea to avoid the TG5 series if you run a plugged filter adapter bypass...it seems to occasionally cause a problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2GLOCK View Post
    Thanx for the info so far. However, I have 2 questions. 1) Why do I not want to run a filter with a bypass valve? 2) What is wrong with the Fram brand? Honestly, I've run Fram in all my vehicle with no issues. Also, I've been selling about 120-130 Fram filters a month for about 5 years now with zero comebacks or complaints from my customers.
    I have been in the same boat, peddling across the counter and in a standard application the Fram,Wix Baldwin, Or any other brand will handle the situation. I think alot of the feed-back is you have moved to an extreme situation and if shlitz happens everybody relies on the filter to keep the related damage down to a minimum. I could be wrong (again) . But for what it's worth the FRAM PH 373 is the deep filter for the tall block BBC used in the industrial applications. Let's hope you never need to rely on it to go above and beyond. M

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