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    Default 102 Minutes That Changed America

    On History Channel Now

    It is so Vivid and Real again

    I must say any Liberals who debate Waterboarding

    Sure wish you had the Decision of




    BURN UP OR JUMP from the towers

    This program brings it all back again
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    Show ONE waterboarding that got ANY credible information from the victim. ONE that's all I ask. The men who are involved in getting information out of captives say it's the velvet glove rather than the iron fist that works.

    Sorry to burst your bubble pal but you're just wrong on this issue.
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    What we have to do to the inner core of evil to protect this country should be held in absolute triple top secret - period. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmando View Post
    Show ONE waterboarding that got ANY credible information from the victim. ONE that's all I ask. The men who are involved in getting information out of captives say it's the velvet glove rather than the iron fist that works.

    Sorry to burst your bubble pal but you're just wrong on this issue.

    Show ONE waterboarding that DID NOT get any credible info from the Lowlife, cowards. ONE that's all i ask. The Cowards who are involved in Not getting information out of the Lowlifes, say it the REAL MEN, and NOT you LIBERAL COWARDS that work!! l
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    20 more minutes for us in the west but i def. want to see it.... rip to all lost, 343!
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmando View Post
    Show ONE waterboarding that got ANY credible information from the victim. ONE that's all I ask. The men who are involved in getting information out of captives say it's the velvet glove rather than the iron fist that works.

    Sorry to burst your bubble pal but you're just wrong on this issue.

    Catpoo, you liberal Zealots can't even listen to your own people that said it worked. Leon Panetta a life long liberal Dem and head of the CIA under your precious O said it worked. It's a damn shame that your liberal blindness can't even get you to accept the truth from one of your own.....you can't be that stupid?

    Message from the Director: Release of Material on Past Detention Practices
    Today, as part of a number of Freedom of Information Act cases, the government is responding to court orders to release more documents related to the Agency's past detention and interrogation of foreign terrorists. The CIA materials include the 2004 report from our Office of Inspector General and two papers--one from 2004 and the other from 2005--that discuss the value of intelligence acquired from high-level detainees. The complete package is hundreds of pages long. The declassification process, a mandatory part of the proceedings, was conducted in accord with established FOIA guidelines.
    This is in many ways an old story. The outlines of prior interrogation practices, and many of the details, are public already. The use of enhanced interrogation techniques, begun when our country was responding to the horrors of September 11th, ended in January. For the CIA now, the challenge is not the battles of yesterday, but those of today and tomorrow. It is there that we must work to enhance the safety of our country. That is the job the American people want us to do, and that is my responsibility as the current Director of the CIA.
    My emphasis on the future comes with a clear recognition that our Agency takes seriously proper accountability for the past. As the intelligence service of a democracy, that's an important part of who we are. When it comes to past detention and interrogation practices, here are some facts to bear in mind on that point:
    The CIA itself commissioned the Inspector General's review. The report, prepared five years ago, noted both the effectiveness of the interrogation program and concerns about how it had been run early on. Several Agency components, including the Office of General Counsel and the Directorate of Operations, disagreed with some of the findings and conclusions.
    The CIA referred allegations of abuse to the Department of Justice for potential prosecution. This Agency made no excuses for behavior, however rare, that went beyond the formal guidelines on counterterrorism. The Department of Justice has had the complete IG report since 2004. Its career prosecutors have examined that document--and other incidents from Iraq and Afghanistan--for legal accountability. They worked carefully and thoroughly, sometimes taking years to decide if prosecution was warranted or not. In one case, the Department obtained a criminal conviction of a CIA contractor. In other instances, after Justice chose not to pursue action in court, the Agency took disciplinary steps of its own.
    The CIA provided the complete, unredacted IG report to the Congress. It was made available to the leadership of the Congressional intelligence committees in 2004 and to the full committees in 2006. All of the material in the document has been subject to Congressional oversight and reviewed for legal accountability.
    As Director in 2009, my primary interest--when it comes to a program that no longer exists--is to stand up for those officers who did what their country asked and who followed the legal guidance they were given. That is the President's position, too. The CIA was aggressive over the years in seeking new opinions from the Department of Justice as the legal landscape changed. The Agency sought and received multiple written assurances that its methods were lawful. The CIA has a strong record in terms of following legal guidance and informing the Department of Justice of potentially illegal conduct.
    I make no judgments on the accuracy of the 2004 IG report or the various views expressed about it. Nor am I eager to enter the debate, already politicized, over the ultimate utility of the Agency's past detention and interrogation effort. But this much is clear: The CIA obtained intelligence from high-value detainees when inside information on al-Qa'ida was in short supply. Whether this was the only way to obtain that information will remain a legitimate area of dispute, with Americans holding a range of views on the methods used. The CIA requested and received legal guidance and referred allegations of abuse to the Department of Justice. President Obama has established new policies for interrogation.
    The CIA must also keep its focus on the primary responsibility of protecting the country. America is a nation at war. This Agency plays a decisive role in helping the United States meet the full range of security threats and opportunities overseas. That starts with the continuing fight against al-Qa'ida and its sympathizers. There, alongside all its other contributions, the CIA is helping our government chart a new way forward on interrogation, one in keeping with the President's Executive Order of January 22nd. You, the men and women of this great institution, do the hard work and take the tough risks that intelligence and espionage demand.
    I am very proud of what you do, here and abroad, to protect the United States. Your skill, courage, commitment, and focus on mission make the CIA indispensable to the nation. It is a privilege to serve with you.
    Leon E. Panetta


    Panetta, though I don't agree with a lot of his policies, is a true Dem, the strong Dem of the past that are growing thin in your party. He understands National Security first.
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    I watched it again.
    I couldn't peel myself away.
    I remembered everything that I did on that day.
    Living in Pittsburgh. I was 15 mi away from the plane that went down - I believe it was flight 93.
    Heard it on Howard Stearn, and me and my Boss both thought he was pulling a stunt. It took an hour for us to realize it was real.
    Hard to grasp.
    I couldn't get a hold of my girlfriend (now wife).
    I actually called my EX to make sure her and my daughter were OK.

    My prayers, and continued condolences to those lost, and the families that have lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmando View Post
    Show ONE waterboarding that got ANY credible information from the victim. ONE that's all I ask. The men who are involved in getting information out of captives say it's the velvet glove rather than the iron fist that works.

    Sorry to burst your bubble pal but you're just wrong on this issue.
    After 9/11, I don't give a rat's ass what they do to those scum bags. Your talking about pieces of s#@t that send children out in the street's to take on our boy's and blow them up, or when they decide to fight themself's they hide in town's where they play games of hide and seek, then our boy's get into trouble for wiping out a family where those scum bag's where hiding.
    I told the wife the morning of 9/11 we need to level Toro Boro along with the rest of the region, then I guess we would not be talking about waterboarding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmando View Post
    Show ONE waterboarding that got ANY credible information from the victim. ONE that's all I ask. The men who are involved in getting information out of captives say it's the velvet glove rather than the iron fist that works.

    Sorry to burst your bubble pal but you're just wrong on this issue.
    Do you have any experience with this issue? If not, then I say you have no clue as to what does and does not work. Get a clue, that's all I ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angry dad View Post
    Show ONE waterboarding that DID NOT get any credible info from the Lowlife, cowards. ONE that's all i ask. The Cowards who are involved in Not getting information out of the Lowlifes, say it the REAL MEN, and NOT you LIBERAL COWARDS that work!! l
    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for one. They got nothing out of him that was correct and they waterboarded him ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE TIMES. He lied and the bu$heviks bought it. You might get information out of a soldier by torture but not a religious fanatic. They will NEVER give correct information.

    You call me a coward come down here to Arlington Tx and I'll show you who's NOT a coward you piece of SHIT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmando View Post
    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed for one. They got nothing out of him that was correct and they waterboarded him ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE TIMES. He lied and the bu$heviks bought it. You might get information out of a soldier by torture but not a religious fanatic. They will NEVER give correct information.

    You call me a coward come down here to Arlington Tx and I'll show you who's NOT a coward you piece of SHIT.

    Catpoo, I don't think threats are permitted on this civil forum.......Your vote and support for anti American/War/National Security like BO shows you and your liberal zealots are not up to the task.

    Again, I was water boarded, sleep deprived, had a revolver stuck to my head in SERE traninng......it is not torture. None of the guys I served with woke up at night with nightmare's from the training. Maybe a pussy like you might?


    Where is your proof, your statement of fact is not fact. Post it up. I posted Panetta's comments disproving your liberal rant. Yet no comment or sack to recant your assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boat Boy View Post
    After 9/11, I don't give a rat's ass what they do to those scum bags. Your talking about pieces of s#@t that send children out in the street's to take on our boy's and blow them up, or when they decide to fight themself's they hide in town's where they play games of hide and seek, then our boy's get into trouble for wiping out a family where those scum bag's where hiding.
    I told the wife the morning of 9/11 we need to level Toro Boro along with the rest of the region, then I guess we would not be talking about waterboarding.
    X2 Well said.

    Lets see, Be-headings they hand out, or a good bath? The few that were water boarded were lucky. I' like to through them into a tree shredder, after seeing what they did to fellow Americans in Iraq. Fundamentalist Islamics dragged them naked through the streets and hung from a trestle then burned. They commit more atrocities than we do but all the leftist cry about is what we do. Wake the F up. Watch those who jumped to their deaths! Dam your blind.

    They hate us and want to kill us.

    What I really cant figure out is why you on the left protect them? You would be 1st on the Kill list.

    I try to stay out of this political type crap but 9-11 transcends all my thinking of how cruel we are to them POS.

    I pray for those who had to make that decision to jump...
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    catpoo: "HB3200 does not allow undocumented aliens to access public healthcare. WRONG-WAY WILSON WAS WRONG."

    Republicans have added 10+ times amendments to the house bill enforcement of the prevention of illegals accessing health care. The Dem's have vetoed it in commitee......so no enforcement. Just like in SSI, Food Stamps, Sec 8, etc....are you telling us illegals don't access those tax payer funded entitlement programs? You are an idiot if you think not!

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    They should have put the bastards families in a burning tower and got them to talk. Once mama raghead was hanging off the side with her baby in her arms papa raghead would have started bellerin out info like an auctioneer. Interrogation methods such as Waterboarding / beatings / electric shock / fire etc..will never replace the fear the victims in the towers endured. What ever means gets crucial and useful intel is all good with me. The "humanitarian" rules should not apply when it comes to dealing with this situation. Velvet glove approach?? If it works ....fine get the info ....then rip em apart! They have no right to live!! We're not talking about a bunch of guys that shot people with a paintball gun. WERE TALKING ABOUT AN ATTACK ON AMERICA..KILLING PEOPLE IN A PLANNED ATTACK....A MASSACRE ...the rules went out the window along time ago... right along with the first person that was forced to jump. I can't believe that there are people who want the terrorists treated with respect... humanely and with a care for their well being. It makes me sick to think this is actually a topic of conversation in politics. With the amount of money wasted on the inquiry into waterboarding ...think about how many buckets of water could have been bought ....
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