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    First off I want to make sure that it is not my intention to make any statements about Stu on a personal level as I do not know him well enough, but rather as a business man and supposed boat repair person/shop his business Tracer Marine.. Yesterday I picked up a Sanger Hydro that was there to have new floors, stringers, and bulkhead installed. The wood for the floor and stringers were supplied to Stu as they were hand picked Philippine Mahogany , the floor and stringers were to be installed and wrapped with just enough resin to fill the weave,as the floors and stringers were going to be coated with gloss duratec later.. Again these were high dollar as most know if you've bought any lately.. Stu removed the old floor and stringers and then proceeded to install the new ones.. All along wanting money deposited into his bank account so he could buy materials to do the job.. The money came to a halt after $1000 had been paid and the job was still no where near complete, all along he kept saying he needed money to buy materials, which were just resin as he already had the cloth and mat in the shop, and again the wood was supplied to him, as well.. about a month ago I went to the shop to see how it was doing, well needless to say I was surprised and shocked at what I saw, the work looked to be that of a beginner at best, as the pictures I'm going to post will show. After removing the old floor he left the center section glass in place which would have been ok except that after installing the new wood the center section was now higher than the floor instead of being lower to act as a low point for water to drain to. If he had ground this down some it might have worked but he chose not to do so.. the joint were the 2 sheets of wood meet was some of the worst I have ever seen, again as the picture will prove. As well the stringers were only bedded with 2 layers of mat and did not look very good as resin was spilled all over, not one piece of paper, plastic or any kind of covering on the floor to protect it,again this is high dollar wood that was to be cleared, not black.. At this point is was decided to end the project as far as Stu was concerned, He wanted the boat out of his shop and did not want to finish it because he had used all the money and no more would come until it was finished correctly. I offered to bring my router to his shop to route out the center section before wrapping the stringers and floor. But I was unable to do so as fast as he wanted and as mentioned he just wanted it gone..Oh and he had made the new bulkhead in 2 half's as he said was impossible to make a new one in one piece and install it.. So as mentioned yesterday I picked it up and towed it 25 miles to my shop. When I picked it up I made mention of the shape of the stringer on the left side, as I could see gap's under it. I grabbed it and was able to rock it side to side, to which Stu said was ok it just needed to be wrapped and then it would be ok...Well needless to say I just shook my head and left, knowing better but not wanting to continue talking to someone who did and does not have a clue. Well when I arrived at my shop I was totally blown away when I looked in the boat and found the stringer laying on it's side in the boat..Yes on the ride to my shop it came completely undone and fell over..Now this is my concern for his work comes to bear.. If he had finished as he was supposed to and wrapped this stringer now one would have known until the first time the new owner stepped on the throttle and the stringer and him went flying, Yes I say him to as it was the left stringer of which the drivers seat would have been bolted to.. so maybe is a good thing the boat was removed before it was finished.. When a friend talked to Stu today he made the comment that he had the hull on blocks and when he put weight on the stingers as they were being bedded the floor bowed and he was having trouble getting the stringer and hull to stay close to each other....Excuse me but what the hell is he trying to do, when he only has the hull supported under the sponsons and rear corners..no support under the hull itself. In his own words the bottom kept flexing and bowing as I tried to put weight on the stringers to hold them down.... Anyway the stingers and floor now need to be redone, and $140 worth of flooring is scrap, I think I can save the stringers..But as I stated in the first line this is about his work and not him as a person, although I do have to question that as well since someone could have been seriously hurt if not killed if this had gone unseen...and he was more than willing to let this kind of work go out of his shop with no concerns as the owners well being.. I know some will say I'm just sore at Stu, That is not the case, but again this is a warning to all if you use him to check your boat often and in person while he is working on it..This could have been much worse than just wasted time and wood...As mentioned I will post photos so all can see and know it is not just my words but pictures to prove my case here...
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    Well trying to post the pics but for some reason not working...they are in my Pictures here and will keep trying to see what i'm doing wrong, but 3-4 can be seen in my pics here...
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    Speed cost money...how fast did you say you wanted to go
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    Lessons learned ! And they dont come cheap ! Ive met this guy ! Not the same guy ! Probably his cousin ! You get what ya pay for ! FYI !!!!!!! Ther are plenty of reputable gents out west who do CLEAN glass ! Fuel up and head west !!!!!!!
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    His shop is in So. Cal. Corona, maybe is concidered Norco....
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    Jesus Bob,dont know what to say except ,I dont know what to say ugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougar63 View Post
    Jesus Bob,dont know what to say except ,I dont know what to say ugh

    LOL...i know what to say but i'm sure they would lock the thread and ban me for awhile....

    Anyway glad to see you here and hope things are getting better for you, been a rough time i know, for me too....Things have to get better this year...
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    Wow, Stu did the floors on my Sanger 17'10". Cut out the old floors, layed up new, and put in new stringers. They came out great. No issues at all. Sorry to hear your misfortune.
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    i will agree they arent the best , however it can be done again. no comment but its true you get what you pay for. I have 2k in material in my floors on my hydro and I did the work myself. I think you should sell me your climax hull . good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangerfan76 View Post
    i will agree they arent the best , however it can be done again. no comment but its true you get what you pay for. I have 2k in material in my floors on my hydro and I did the work myself. I think you should sell me your climax hull . good luck

    LOL.. i know you want the Climax Hull but i just can't bring myself to let go of it...as you well know not a whole lot of them left around, specially sitting on the original trailer with 13 inch rims...... As for you get what you par for that is true to a extent.. The wood alone was hand picked by me and then milled, was beautiful before all this...just the wood was a bit over $500 for the 2 sheets of flooring and the raw 6/4 by 16' Mahogony for the stringers... he was hungry at the time and said would do for $1450 in labor if the wood was supplied... but now is time to try and find a way to save it.....
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    For what it's worth. I don't know the guy, I will neither stick up for him, nor put him down. I have seen members post work of his in here more than once. I do feel it is hard to judge a mans work before it is completed. As talented a mechanic as I veiw myself, I often struggle with tasks I don't expect to. I find myself having to take things apart, evaluate what went wrong, and try it again with a new approach. Thats human. As far as the money is concerned, I wouldn't do a job unless 50% was paid up front. Not only do I want materials covered, I want a portion of my time covered as well should issues arise with the customer after the work is completed. Just my worthless .02, Todd~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Factory1 View Post
    For what it's worth. I don't know the guy, I will neither stick up for him, nor put him down. I have seen members post work of his in here more than once. I do feel it is hard to judge a mans work before it is completed. As talented a mechanic as I veiw myself, I often struggle with tasks I don't expect to. I find myself having to take things apart, evaluate what went wrong, and try it again with a new approach. Thats human. As far as the money is concerned, I wouldn't do a job unless 50% was paid up front. Not only do I want materials covered, I want a portion of my time covered as well should issues arise with the customer after the work is completed. Just my worthless .02, Todd~

    I totally understand what your saying, and the materials were bought and delivered to his shop, The only expense he has was for resin, and when he quotes $1450 labor and is paid $1000 of that i think that is very fair. But again my main reason was to let others know and to let them judge for themselfs... And as i stated if he had finished and wrapped the stringers and floor with the stringer loose it would have been real ugly the first time the pedal was mashed on it... And no matter what once all that resin was spilled on the wood floor it was junk and no amount of re-evaluating it would have helped... This boat was my close friends first V-drive, he had been wanting a Sanger hydro for several years and i finally found him this one from our old friend "Mouzer" and right now he is about to just walkj away and lick his wounds...Not a good start into our sport for him, but i'm hoping i can salvage the stringers and buy new wood for the floors again..
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    I will interject, as moderator only, threads like this are allowed to exist, but also can quickly get out of hand. Repeated bashing isn't allowed. A case gets stated (has occurred) comments get made. Then we move on. It will not become a dozens-of-posts long bashing session regurgitating post 1 info regardless of how much the business deserves or does not deserve criticism.

    The bashee will also be allowed to respond if he so chooses. Again, he is allowed to state case. It will not become a hundreds-of-posts long event beating each other back and forth by commentors or subjects.

    Just to clear that up before we get too far into this.
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