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    This is the oil i run in my boat. I have a 20.5 advantage with a chevy 454, stock motor as far as i know, 850 carb. i thought that it was a inmar motor but not positive. it has a inmar bell housing on it, however no inmar stamps on the oil pan. I was told by inmar west coat that on the oil pan is the only place to be sure if its one of there motors because the bell housing could have came from anything or any place. the kicker is it isnt the orginal motor. the orginal motor was a blown 540, but the orginal owners put a 454 in it before they sold it and kept there monster.

    That said the guy at inmar west coast there the "jetpac" motors where built said to run 15w-40.

    I like valvoline alot, and it isnt very expensive for this oil and being that it is certified to be in diesels it should be good oil. I understand that the little cummins approved decal on the bottle and a dollar wont get you a cup of coffee, these days. but it makes me feel good. i would also think that since this is diesel oil and not till the last few years they didnt run cats and since diesels run harsh and with a shit ton of compression, it would make sence to have high levels of zink, but what the hell do i know..

    finally the big ?ion is big block chevy turnin 4700 WOT, doesnt burn oil at all, 50 psi oil preasure, does any one know if this oil has enough zink or the EDDP or what ever for my flat tappet cam.....

    I like tring to take care of my stuff to the best of my ability and askin a question can somtimes help you from makin a big mistake.

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    The disel engine run close bearing tolerances, extreme combustion, extreme heat. The presure on top of the piston puts extreme presure on the rod bearings and run near top RPM all the time. A car or truck engines runs on the low RPM and don't run that severe pace all the time. So if the engine is built to run extreme pace his thinking why not run a oil made for severe runing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schiada 201 View Post
    The disel engine run close bearing tolerances, extreme combustion, extreme heat. The presure on top of the piston puts extreme presure on the rod bearings and run near top RPM all the time. A car or truck engines runs on the low RPM and don't run that severe pace all the time. So if the engine is built to run extreme pace his thinking why not run a oil made for severe runing.
    Thats what i am sayin

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    FWIW
    This is a good thread on 454 oil....
    http://www.performanceboats.com/jet-...1-bbc-oil.html



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    Ok guys i i said F*c it i am just gonna call valvoline direct and ask them what the ZDDP levels are currectly for totady standerds and they said the Diesel oil is 900 to 1000 PPM ZDDP and he confirmed with me that the VR1 oil is 1400 PPM. They were really cool on the phone and very helpfull. Not sure what i am gonna do, i think i am just gonna keep runnin what i got going for the rest of the summer and make a change next year to VR1, i think it is 20-50. I know that we all knew that the VR1 had ZDDP however i wanted to confirm it and wanted to know how much. I also wanted to know about the diesel oil. I guess if it isnt considered racing oil there is no way in hell it is gonna have alot of cat killing ZDDP God bless America
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    check this shit out: ZDDPlus Classic Car Engine Oil Additive - Flat-tappet and High-performance engines i am gonna order me up some. i think i am gonna keep runnin the diesel oil because i know it has alot of detergent and it is strong shit. i am gonna get some ZDDPlus as well, so i can get my ZDDP level up around 1900PPM. just my .02 guys take it for what its worth, i deffinetly spent way to much time reading all about this but hey like they say knowledge is power
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUE BOMBER View Post
    Ok guys i i said F*c it i am just gonna call valvoline direct and ask them what the ZDDP levels are currectly for totady standerds and they said the Diesel oil is 900 to 1000 PPM ZDDP and he confirmed with me that the VR1 oil is 1400 PPM. They were really cool on the phone and very helpfull. Not sure what i am gonna do, i think i am just gonna keep runnin what i got going for the rest of the summer and make a change next year to VR1, i think it is 20-50. I know that we all knew that the VR1 had ZDDP however i wanted to confirm it and wanted to know how much. I also wanted to know about the diesel oil. I guess if it isnt considered racing oil there is no way in hell it is gonna have alot of cat killing ZDDP God bless America
    I run the 20w50 VR1, thats what Dales Speed and Marine recommended. I've never had a problem.

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    I run 20-50 too the only problem I have is I get a little high on pressure.. I would no doubt start with 20-50.

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    I think you are on the right track. I run Rotella 15-40 in both of my boats and have never run into any problems.

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    X 2 on Rotella, also with a splash of Lucas Stabalizer

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    I've run Kendall 50wt in the past, and just switched to Amzoil 15/50wt dominator. Both work fine for me.


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    MOST...of today's "diesel oil" isn't the same stuff from years back nor are the current offerings safe from the dreaded epa regulations from regulating/removing the once higher levels of zinc.

    *** Brad Penn's diesel 15/40 still carry a very beefy additive package > this is what my fellow IDI 7.3 diesel fanatics tell me.

    Personally, for a boat I don't see an advantage in using "diesel oil" vs a 'quality brand' race/off road oil...the off road/race oil will usually have a higher level of protection package.

    Years back, diesel oil had a stout level of zinc...and other main additives that were specifically designed to 'suspend soot' in the oil so it could be captured by the filter.

    Diesel FUEL ain't what it use to be either...now, very dry and the once beneficial lubrication property's of diesel fuel are lowered too. The once looooong lived diesel engine is a thing of the past. (Thank the EPA for that)

    Lucas Stabilizer does nothing but 'thicken' the oil...if that's what you want > just use a thicker oil > but keeping in mind, super-thick oil doesn't make it's way back to the pan and oil PU as quick too.
    If you want to beef-up the oils thickness AND have some added zinc protection I would use STP.
    Or, simply purchase a bottle of Zinc > follow the manufactures dosage as too much ZDDP is just as bad as not having enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerDown View Post
    MOST...of today's "diesel oil" isn't the same stuff from years back nor are the current offerings safe from the dreaded epa regulations from regulating/removing the once higher levels of zinc.

    *** Brad Penn's diesel 15/40 still carry a very beefy additive package > this is what my fellow IDI 7.3 diesel fanatics tell me.

    Personally, for a boat I see an advantage in using "diesel oil" vs a 'quality brand' race/off road oil...the off road/race oil will usually have a higher level of protection package.

    Years back, diesel oil had a stout level of zinc...and other main additives that were specifically designed to 'suspend soot' in the oil so it could be captured by the filter.

    Diesel FUEL ain't what it use to be either...now, very dry and the once beneficial lubrication property's of diesel fuel are lowered too. The once looooong lived diesel engine is a thing of the past. (Thank the EPA for that)

    Lucas Stabilizer does nothing but 'thicken' the oil...if that's what you want > just use a thicker oil > but keeping in mind, super-thick oil doesn't make it's way back to the pan and oil PU as quick too.
    If you want to beef-up the oils thickness AND have some added zinc protection I would use STP.
    Or, simply purchase a bottle of Zinc > follow the manufactures dosage as too much ZDDP is just as bad as not having enough.
    ok big hammer what do you think of my mixture of running the blue premimum and the ZDDPlus additive. i personally think i would have a winning combination with that

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    This is a PDF email i just recieved from the people over at lucas. The facts dont lie about there stuff.
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    Lucas Motor Oil
    Typical Zinc Values
    Quart Description Zinc PPM Quart Description Zinc PPM
    Part #'s Motor Oil Part #'s Motorcycle Oil
    10179 Syn SAE 0W-30 1,265 10700 SAE 20W-50 1,058
    10211 Syn SAE 0W-40 1,265 10702 Syn SAE 20W-50 1,058
    10082 Syn SAE 5W-20 API 861 10704 Syn SAE 5W-20 1,058
    10049 Syn SAE 5W-30 API 861 10706 Syn SAE 5W-30 1,058
    10189 Syn SAE 5w-40 API 861 10708 Syn SAE 10W-30 1,058
    10050 Syn SAE 10W-30 API 861 10710 Semi-Syn 10W-40 1,058
    10176 Semi-Syn SAE 10W-40 1,265 10712 50W 1,058
    10054 Syn SAE 20W-50 1,265 10714 70W 1,058
    10516 SAE 5W-20 API 861 10716 Syn SAE 10W-50 1,058
    10474 SAE 5W-30 API 861 10718 Syn SAE 0W-40 1,058
    10276 SAE 10W-30 API 861 10720 Semi Syn SAE 10W-40 ATV 1,058
    10275 SAE 10W-40 API 861 10765 Syn 50W 1,542
    10252 SAE 20W-50 API 861 10767 SAE 10W-40 1,058
    10162 SAE 40WT API 861 10777 SAE Syn 10W-40 Moly 1,058
    10053 30 Plus 1,265 Quart #'s Break-In Oil
    10044 50 Plus 3,921 10626 SAE 20 3,634
    10261 70 Plus 5,458 10630 SAE 30 3,634
    Quart #'s Racing Only Oil 10635 SAE 20W-50 3,634
    10281 Syn SAE 0W-5 4,836 Quart #'s Heavy Duty Diesel
    10286 Syn SAE 0W-10 3,289 10075 SAE 15w-40 CI 4 Magnum 1,524
    10291 Syn SAE 0W-20 3,218 10298 Syn 15w-40 CJ 4 API 1,281
    10605 Syn SAE 0W-30 2,616 10296 SAE 15w-40 CJ 4 API 1,281
    10610 Syn SAE 10W-30 3,097 10435 Syn 5w-40 CJ 4 API 1,362
    10615 Syn SAE 20W-50 3,132 10571 SAE 10w30 CJ 4 API 5 gal 1,281
    10306 Semi-Syn SAE 20W-50 3,115
    10620 SAE 20W-50 3,132 Pint # Engine Break In Oil Additive
    10380 Jr. Drag SAE 5W-20 15 oz 6,795 10063 TB Zinc Plus 35,000+
    3x1/5 qt. Hot Rod & Classic Car Oil Mix Ratio Zinc PPM
    10679 SAE 10W-30 2,100 10063 4.5 qt Oil + 16oz Zinc Plus 5,000+
    10683 SAE 10W-40 2,100 10063 4.75 qt Oil + 8oz Zinc Plus 2,500+
    10684 SAE 20W-50 2,100 10063 4.9 qt Oil + 4oz Zinc Plus 1,250+
    Quart #'s Extreme Duty Marine Oil
    10653 SAE 20W-50 3,132 Lucas Oil Products
    10654 Semi-Syn SAE 20W-50 3,115 302 North Sheridan Street
    10661 Syn SAE 10W-30 Outboard 820 CORONA, CA. 92880-2067
    10662 Syn SAE 10W-40 Outboard 820 PHONE: 1-800-342-2512
    10677 SAE 25W-40 Inb Strn Drv 820 FAX: 1-951-270-1902
    E-MAIL: www.LucasOil.com

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