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    after as much research as i could understand with out seeing hands on pieces, when you run a shoe, usually with a ride plate, does that set up also use a loader? its vague but from what ive gathered its one or the other

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    Shoe feeds the bottom of the pump, Loader feeds the top of the pump, Ride plate adjusts the additude of the boat, and you run them all together. A loader is normally the first purchase out of the three when slowly climbing the speed latter. I picked up 5 MPH when adding a loader to my boat back before the shoe, rideplate, and setback was done. It went from running 81 MPH to 86 MPH on GPS, boat felt like it had alot more lift in it too.

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    alrighty then. i must start the savings as i will need all three. i need to get the boat out of the water. it rides wet, very wet, as in below the passenger area still splashes at full speed. being there are different thoughts on how to go fast i want to build my jet first. then build the motor and match the imp at that time.

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    What type of hull? What speeds are you seeing now? How much HP?

    In order to do the shoe and ride plate you need to remove the intake from the boat, not a fun process and resetting the intake correctly is very important, best probably left to somebody who knows what they are doing.

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    17' regatta deep V. only about 350 to 375HP on a stock build 460 BBF. no jet work done either except a hyd place. i was gonna wait to have the machine work done for when i set my jet back, hopefully this winter. i know its critical to have the correct angles on the install, im just having a hard time with getting any info about the correct angles, and where to take them from. it seems either people that know do not want to share as its there business, and i understand that, or they do not know but do not want to say. im a do it myself type after loads of research, opposed to just write the check type. it makes it feel as if its more my own, if that makes sense.

    i doubt im breaking 60mph but havent gps'ed it yet. just barely faster than a friend that has never broke 55 and is serious about watching the gps. were all kinda new to boats, and newer to jets. there a blast but only a few in my area are "known experts". there may be more but more underground types.

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    Lets see a pic of the boat. Deep V part doesn't sound like something you want to make go fast. Not all boats are good at going fast.
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    here are a few. i can get them from any angle you want. i was told its a deep V. i dont really know
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    Quote Originally Posted by $uperJoe View Post
    here are a few. i can get them from any angle you want. i was told its a deep V. i dont really know
    semi v.

    the keel loads the pump. the loader directs some of that water to the top of the pump. the shoe directs water to the bottom of the pump. different loaders can increase or decrease the load to the top. the shoe can be used to fine tune the size of the hole by raising/lowering the biting edge, opening up/or closing the length of the intake opening. the type of shoe can be used to create more or less keel lift. the ride plate (or suction plate as it's also been called) helps keep a faster boat under control. at higher speeds, a low pressure area is created right behind the mouth opening. the ride plate controls the dispersion of that low pressure. the ride plate can also affect boat attitude, moreso in some boats than others (nozzle angle also affects attitude).
    with a 60-65mph boat, a rock grate without any shoe or ride plate will still be enough to adequately load the pump. if you add some hp to that boat to make it go faster, you may want to have all these things. but if you just want to use the boat the way it is, nothing wrong with that either...

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    Looks like a fairly deep entry on that hull. May be better not to be over powered. Could be a good candidate for spinouts.

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    spinouts? that doesnt sound good.

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    With the deep entry, the nose tends to dig in when you're cornering. Then the back becomes the front real fast. Becomes much worse in choppy water. If you want to go fast, you might want to consider a different hull. You might not acheive what you're looking for and then have to spend all again on another hull. Leave it alone and have fun. I would buy a loader, a least you can take that with you, but I wouldn't spend a lot on machine work.
    Just an opinion take it for what its worth.

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    A correctly set up loader and shoe/plate will do wonders for most any boat.

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    opinion or not its more knowledge than i had before you said it. thanks for sharing. the thought wouldnt have crossed my mind. i really like the look of the daytona, as everyone does, but hull price is a bit out of reach right now. i also like the hydro but thats not really for a jet as ive been reading. maybe if i get a V sometime down the road. what i feel i want to work towards currently is a 4 seater lake hotrod thats 85mph capable and safe for the passengers at that speed, with appropriate hardware of course. there will always be someone with more and better, as ive learned at the dunes, so as long as its unique to me i would really appreciate that.

    being said would the deep entry help with choppy water at slower speeds? as in not give the passengers such a pounding?

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    yes, it would give a good ride in the 40 - 50 mph range. But that hull is NOT a good canidate for 85 MPH. Someone will get wet or worse.

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