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    Default Half Second Brackets, Would you return to Race

    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    The economy has had a drastic toll on recreational sports and particularly boat drag racing.
    When the various clubs tried to seek a universal membership and class to race, the half second brackets took a huge dis-connect and were virtually eliminated from the sport.
    Brackets were / are the back bone for the NJBA and should be re-instated.

    The 10.5, 9.5, 8.5 brackets will improve boat count drastically and that would have a direct effect on registration fees and possible a purse sense the NJBA is non-profit.
    This thing about five boat in any one area before a trophy / awards is issued is not what the NJBA was about; the NJBA was a place for the guy who didnít approve of the 7.70 rules and liked the half second brackets.

    Would you return to boat racing if the NJBA re-instated the ďbrackets with the half secondsĒ, and a two boat requirement to receive an award?

    The half second brackets would no-longer require categoryís like the ďcatch allĒ Super Eliminator.

    What do you suggest to improve the boat count that's reasonable?

    Please donít respond to this thread if you have never boat raced with a professional organization like the NJBA, CDBA Lucas, ADBA, etc.

    Willis
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    are you on the board willis?

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    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    I used to be a board member, and had a direct link to starting the RR at a reduced rate for the NJBA.
    I don't think you need to be a NJBA Board Member to air some positive feedback on ways to improve the sport. It doesnít take a rocket scientist to see that there was a major drop of participants from the line up when the half seconds brackets were eliminated from the NJBA line up.

    The categories where the full second are active and the ďPro TeamsĒ will always have racers who can upgrade as required.

    Not looking for a drawn out debate whether or not if itís good for your club, just saying that it was good for the racers who donít care for the 7.70 rules.

    Willis

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    Not going to happen Willis. 1/2 second brackets are dead weight. Many argue several pro classes are dead weight. Why would we add more classes when we can't fill the ones we have?

    Super eliminator fills the void of any 1/2 second brackets.

    Super eliminator does not have do deal with the 7.70 rules.

    NJBA has a class for anything you could race. If you can't find a class in NJBA you are looking for other reasons.
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    Not going to happen Willis.
    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    Kjell,

    There were several board members who were just like you a few years back and they said the same thing about RR until the racers got behind the idea. You seem to be very quick to interject something negative before there is a reasonable amount of time passed for people to grind over the idea!
    You as a board member shouldnít even be posting your negative thoughts yet. If the half brackets according to you donít have a chance, what do you recommend that will increase the boat count this year, because what you did last year didnít work.

    Here again people, what say you on the half second brackets. I do know if there are just three boats to return, thatís better progress than last year.

    Please people, try not to air your feelings, let the racers have a say, and after a few days, a week or so, it will be apparent what the racers are happy with.



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    Willis you would have to convince a promoter to nearly double the number of purses to pay out. NJBA or not it's a tough sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by widowmaker View Post
    Not going to happen Willis. 1/2 second brackets are dead weight. Many argue several pro classes are dead weight. Why would we add more classes when we can fill the ones we have?

    Super eliminator fills the void of any 1/2 second brackets.

    Super eliminator does not have do deal with the 7.70 rules.

    NJBA has a class for anything you could race. If you can't find a class in NJBA you are looking for other reasons.
    Why would you say half second brackets are dead weight? I would like to see a 9.50 bracket and also a 8.50 bracket. Super eliminator is a good class to race, but its the only class you can run if your boat wont run the number in a .0 bracket to have a chance.
    Not everyone wants to put nitrous on their boat to run the number and nobody like to slow down.

    Just my opinion.

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    I might bring my drag boat out of mothballs to run the 8.50 class, not going to put nitrous to run 8.00 class

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    Quote Originally Posted by widowmaker View Post
    Not going to happen Willis. 1/2 second brackets are dead weight. Many argue several pro classes are dead weight. Why would we add more classes when we can fill the ones we have?

    Super eliminator fills the void of any 1/2 second brackets.

    Super eliminator does not have do deal with the 7.70 rules.

    NJBA has a class for anything you could race. If you can't find a class in NJBA you are looking for other reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Brock View Post
    I might bring my drag boat out of mothballs to run the 8.50 class, not going to put nitrous to run 8.00 class
    Why not run super eliminator? 20 plus boat field every race. Get to race against anyone and everyone. Guys who have won super eliminator or the hi points pretty much can claim they beat the best of the best. What's to lose here? The best class IMO for a guy who wants to run flat out every race.


    Example,

    Guy has a 8.20 boat or a 9.20 boat in perfect air. Really not enough to run the 8.0 or 9.0 bracket, but He doesn't want to slow down for a slower bracket. He can run his flat out every lap and dial in what he is capable or running in good air or bad air.

    I'd like to hear a downside to this situation. I'm all ears. Jim Brock, let's hear it, I'm interested in an honest opinion why you won't run super eliminator?

    FUTS, NJBA is the one of the only associations that allows you to run more than one class per event with a single boat. Getting to run two or three classes is like having your cake and eating it too.

    If its another class you'd like to run, then just run exhibition. I've run it, it's kind of fun, low stress, get to test parts, see what works and what doesn't.

    Willis, I'm sorry it's your opinion that I'm responsible for a low boat count last year. It's a public forum. My opinion vs. your opinion. I may not like yours and you may not like mine. Who is to say one's is right or wrong or positive or negative. Last time I checked the man upstairs gets the final say... I'm not going to accept or deny blame for low boat count, but what I can say is that we need more racers. I along with many others have put in lots of time and money to make races happen. I spend money out of my own pocket and never ask for reimbursement for these races. I buy my own fuel and tow around equipment, I've spent my own money to fuel up equipment for the race, I buy my own hotel rooms. In fact most of the board members do. Without most of them we'd be long gone. Bakersfield is an awesome place to race, from a racers viewpoint. Spectators view point is well, I don't know if I'd say the same.


    We have racers that put up prize money from their own pockets and yet we still have low boat count. We had over $10,000 in payouts in the september race last year, still was a low boat count.

    For lots of guys the economy is hurting people, its tough for lots of guys right now, it's beyond my control or your control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infomaniac View Post
    Willis you would have to convince a promoter to nearly double the number of purses to pay out. NJBA or not it's a tough sell.
    There is no promoter.Never has been.

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    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    As competitors, I actually donít like lining up with Un Blown Fuel boats, but I understand the reasoning that facilitates. just prefer to line up with equipment thatís more similar to mine and get a true sense for who is the luckier guy for that day or what ever you want to call it.
    The super eliminator class tends to be more on time than equipment and mechanical skills of the crew.
    The safety requirements, engine restrictions, fuel and general boat similaritiesí would bring more sense of accomplishment than winning against a ďSea DoĒ, thatís just my take on a drag race. Although, in some circles, there are braggers who are thrilled about the moment, just seems it would be a better foot race if they all had the same shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willis View Post
    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    As competitors, I actually donít like lining up with Un Blown Fuel boats, but I understand the reasoning that facilitates. just prefer to line up with equipment thatís more similar to mine and get a true sense for who is the luckier guy for that day or what ever you want to call it.
    The super eliminator class tends to be more on time than equipment and mechanical skills of the crew.
    The safety requirements, engine restrictions, fuel and general boat similaritiesí would bring more sense of accomplishment than winning against a ďSea DoĒ, thatís just my take on a drag race. Although, in some circles, there are braggers who are thrilled about the moment, just seems it would be a better foot race if they all had the same shoes.

    Willis
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    You are correct .A Jet Ski could win Super Eliminator,if he ran on his number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willis View Post
    March 23, 2014

    Hello People,

    I used to be a board member, and had a direct link to starting the RR at a reduced rate for the NJBA.
    I don't think you need to be a NJBA Board Member to air some positive feedback on ways to improve the sport. It doesnít take a rocket scientist to see that there was a major drop of participants from the line up when the half seconds brackets were eliminated from the NJBA line up.

    Not looking for a drawn out debate whether or not if itís good for your club, just saying that it was good for the racers who donít care for the 7.70 rules.

    Willis
    just curious. what does an 8.5, 9.5 or 10.5 index have to do with a 7.70 rule?? and what do you -think- you know about a 7.70 rule that you have never raced under, but seem to have an opinion about?

    Quote Originally Posted by willis View Post

    Please donít respond to this thread if you have never boat raced with a professional organization like the NJBA, CDBA Lucas, ADBA, etc.

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    Why would you say half second brackets are dead weight? I would like to see a 9.50 bracket and also a 8.50 bracket. Super eliminator is a good class to race, but its the only class you can run if your boat wont run the number in a .0 bracket to have a chance.
    Not everyone wants to put nitrous on their boat to run the number and nobody like to slow down.

    Just my opinion.
    so just a question. does this mean that if they brought back half second brackets that you'd go out and race for the first time? and promise to attend every race from now on and support that half second bracket??? just asking because it wouldn't be the first time some uproar occurred to create a new class with promises of 8-10-12 boats every race in the class. which never happened.

    the fact is, all the bracket classes had dwindled considerably before the board ever made the decision and announcement that the half second brackets would be eliminated. just the way it was. and a 2 boat bracket??? please...

    I prefer to focus on running a class that's offered at every race, on any track, by every org, anywhere in the country. usually full of tough competition. just a few years ago, with the initiation of the 6 second deal, there was quite an uproar all over the place about diluting the 8s. just have to see how that all plays out. things change.

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