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    Default 1977 Day cruiser Questions-Soon to be new to me (I hope)

    I'm going to take a look at a boat on Sunday morning. 2nd owner, 1977 mini-daycruiser. It has a 455 BBO, Jacuzzi Jet and runs great. When going to look at it im pretty comfortable with the mechanics, as I was a technician for a number of years, but is there anything specific to the 455 BBO, jet that I should look at? I know to look at the condition of the stringers etc, but do not want to miss anything. Here are a couple pictures of the boat. Also the owner knows it wasw made by a company in Novato California, called "The Boat Shop" but other than that have no idea the hull manufacturer. Can anyone tell me what mold it may be from? I know it is a full stringer, but thats it.

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    Don't know or recall mfgs in Navato back in those days , the boats HIN ID number (upper right on the transom) should tell a lot, otherwise its a fairly "typy" step deck full grown Day cruiser , should produce around 45 mph WOT haul most of the neighborhood around , burn enormous amounts of fuel and be a decent experience for you, #1 thing to watch on that Olds is oil pressure (hot) idle should be 25psi + and running , never below 45psi (could be better too) Best of Luck !

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    Ok thanks, I know it wont be very fast, but at the moment I need a boat that can handle my family of five plus friends! The HIN didn't tell me much aside from the fact that the manufacturer was "The Boat Shop" and that it was built in may of 1977. When I go see it and check the operation Ill check out the oil PSI, thanks. After I get this boat, I plan to sell my 85 centurion, and find a project boat for the fun stuff.

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    What happened to the Sleek Craft? That one was a BBC.

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    It is still an option as well, Im going to look at both of them in detail tomorrow morning. I like the layout of the 1977 better, but we will see. The seating arrangement in the 1977 is better suited for the family. Not sure how costly it would be to change the seating in the sleekcraft to a different layout, and the sleekcraft, according to the owner, has low oil pressure. Ill see exactly what up tomorrow. The sleekcraft is a bit less expensive though so I can deal with a little more work.

    So would the sleekcraft be a better option even with needing engine work and seat layout changes, what do you think?

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    I wouldn't go with the olds and jacuzzi on a "full" day cruiser. Unless your goal is from ramp to distant cove for the day. My bet is it's gonna be a slug. Like JBP said 45mph and I'm gonna guess she comes up on plane like an aircraft carrier.
    That sleek craft looks like an 18' mini in the pick which would be a fun boat. Low oil is bad though and there is nothing cheep about BBC.
    Family of 5 plus friends, I would be looking for like a 20' open bow mini, 454 or 460 w/ a Berkeley. I wish my Spectra was open bow everytime we load it up with people.

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    The SleekCraft is a 21 footer. I actually want the closed bow versus the open for Multiple reasons. There are a few more I am looking at, one is a 23ft SleekCraft with a 454 and Berkeley jet, and the other is a 21ft mini with a 455 and Berkeley jet. IT seems most of the boats that are decent are a 455. Here are the pics of the others im looking at. The 23ft Sleek had a 454 tunnel ram, one season on the motor and pump. Ive never been in a full size daycruiser, how so they handle compared to a mini? Basically going to be a family boat for skiing tubing and cruising. I was worried the fullsize would be a little large, but not sure. I do like the seats and place to sleep up front.

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    I've only ridden in 1 23' cruiser like that sleek. It was definitely a family boat for running around beaching etc etc. The problem a lot of mini's and full cruiser have is that they don't pop out of the hole like a ski boat. Maybe someone will correct me but I dought that 23' can yank a skier out.

    You will find a lot of mini's with Olds in them because they are not performance oriented. They are notorious for oiling issues.

    My 20' Spectra mini handles great but it has fin just aft of mid hull. It also hops out of the hole and comes on plane thanks to a place diverter. I also added a rudder for better slow speed control. Friend of ours had a Tahiti 455 jacuzzi, it was the people/gear mover. Did pretty good hauling the little ones on the tube. A pretty standard no excitement family mini.

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    I learned, and skied behind a 73 spectra 21ft, with a 455 and Berkeley jet, so im guessing the one you rode in with a 455 had more to due with the jacuzzi pump than the motor. I was a little worried about the fullsize having trouble with a skier though.

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    Where do you plan on using the boat? Me personally, I think 21' is as big as I'd want if it had a jet. Bigger than that and you can pretty much forget even minimal performance, and maybe not even be able to ski behind it. Like Tom said, a blistering 40 mph tops and about 2 gallons a mile in fuel. One other thing, If I was going to buy something that may need any motor work, I'd go BBC all day every day. If it is an Olds, it better be in tip top shape, preferably with all the oil mods already done.
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    Will be used at folsom, shasta, delta, rawlins and other local lakes. Ive looked at a few boats and stayed away from the jacuzzi jets. The two I like I wish the engines were swapped in. The 21ft is the olds, and the 23 is a BBC, both Berkeley pumps. I like the larger cabin on the 23ft, but the over all size of the 21ft. All the boats ive looked at, aside from these two, have been jacuzzi jets, with olds motors. Im not looking for a super fast boat, in fact I plan to get a flat bottom or a smaller jet in the future as a fast project boat and still a cruiser for a family boat. Are the 455 just junk motors, or is it the cost of them i should be concerned with. My grandpas spectra had the 455 and i don't remember him having a bit of trouble with it in the 20 years he had it. I know the 455 doe not like high reves without mods and isnt a hp motor, but for a cruiser are they bad?

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    id flat out stay away from the BBO.

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    For a cruiser used to ski, tube and just enjoy the water, the olds will be fine. Oiling issues are its weakness. It will not live under lots of sustained high rpm usage.

    I had an olds for 20 years in a riviera mini-cruiser. That motor ran great with no troubles.

    For high performance use, go with the Chevy. Better platform for hard use and more relatively inexpensive performance parts available to upgrade in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k5-cj5 View Post
    Will be used at folsom, shasta, delta, rawlins and other local lakes. Ive looked at a few boats and stayed away from the jacuzzi jets. The two I like I wish the engines were swapped in. The 21ft is the olds, and the 23 is a BBC, both Berkeley pumps. I like the larger cabin on the 23ft, but the over all size of the 21ft. All the boats ive looked at, aside from these two, have been jacuzzi jets, with olds motors. Im not looking for a super fast boat, in fact I plan to get a flat bottom or a smaller jet in the future as a fast project boat and still a cruiser for a family boat. Are the 455 just junk motors, or is it the cost of them i should be concerned with. My grandpas spectra had the 455 and i don't remember him having a bit of trouble with it in the 20 years he had it. I know the 455 doe not like high reves without mods and isnt a hp motor, but for a cruiser are they bad?

    The Olds is a good motor, it just doesn't take well to extended high rpms. If they're built solid, they do fine. That's why I said if you're buying something that may need work stay with BBC. Easier and cheaper to build. In a daycruiser, you can punish a motor just getting it up on plain. This is where the pump comes in to play. A worn pump puts that much more strain on the engine.

    Just curious, if you're mainly going to be in deep water, and you want a bigger boat, why not an outdrive? Hell, you could probably find a nice daycruiser with a small block that would do everything you want and damn near be fuel efficient.

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