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    So I am relatively new to the boating world and I need some advice. I recently picked up a motor from a gentlemen here on the boards, and like most of you, I am always skeptical when purchasing something that me or someone close to me didnt put together. The guy said the motor was a strong running 2 bolt main BBC with a cast crank and some relatively nice goodies inside. He said the motor was recently freshened up and got new rod bearings, rings and a valve adjustment. Upon picking up the motor, we realized the motor was a 4 bolt main forged crank so naturally we were excited for a little upgrade. However, raised the eyebrow at the fact the guy didnt know it was forged and a 4 bolt. When we got the motor home, we started to look through the motor, to go through some of the clearances and make sure everything the guy said was legit. Here is what we found:



    The Number 3 connecting rod was different than all other 7 rods. 7 connecting rods were smoothed out and used 7/16 nuts and weighed roughly 1632 grams, while the number 3 connecting rod was not smoothed and used a 3/8 nut and weighed in at 1672 grams (see pictures); makes me think at some point it broke a rod??? Ironically, there was also damage to the windage tray directly in line with the number 3 rod. Naturally, I continued to look deeper, only this time I took it to the machine shop. The machine shop said the rings and rod bearings were certainly not new and on top of that, they said the push rods were on their last leg as most of them were different and mushroomed. The pictures dont exactly show the wear on the bearings but most of them have a copperish tint to them. Knowing all of this, I called the guy up to ask him if he had ever actually run the motor, and he said yes and told me the machine shop was crazy, and that I should rethink who I have build my engines. He even accused me of putting the motor in my boat and blowing it up myself. I told him that I knew the risks of buying a used motor and not breaking it down prior to purchase, and I wasn't trying to get anything out of him. I was simply trying to get more information about the motor because the more we got into the motor, the more stuff just didn't add up. After a pretty lengthy back and forth, the guy said for me to give him all the parts and he would run them in his boat. I said no problem, I could send them back after I was done going through them. He asked me what I wanted in return, and I told him I didnt want anything from him, but only to ask him if he actually ever ran the motor. Eventually he said he would replace the rings and bearings after he got the old ones back, however, when I got around to sending them back and asked for his address, he said I should just trash the parts and he wasn't interested in making things right. Long story short, I ask you guys, would you run these parts in your boat or replace them? How much of an issue is it if the pistons are different weights? I know you can adjust the springs to correct minor differences in push rods, but would you run these rods in your hot rod? Do the rod bearings look new or pretty used up? Let me know your thoughts.
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    I would not run that wore out junk .......You should post this in the dyno section .
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    my thoughts exactly!

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    What you have there is a worn out motor that's essentially a core in need of a rebuild from a reputable builder.

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    I ordered new connecting rods, bearings, rings and shortly will be ordering the push rods...thanks for the replies...the more replies I get the better I will feel knowing that I was pretty upset with the dude.

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    Yeah, Don't blame you for being pissed! unfortunately there are enough people like this around to make trusting and buying from anyone you don't personally know risky anymore. People hopefully will be smart enough to check with you via PM before buying on here from this seller....... BTW, is this motor going in your Condor? Is it going to be FAST ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Yeah, Don't blame you for being pissed! unfortunately there are enough people like this around to make trusting and buying from anyone you don't personally know risky anymore. People hopefully will be smart enough to check with you via PM before buying on here from this seller....... BTW, is this motor going in your Condor? Is it going to be FAST ???
    J-pops and I can lift his bare hull with little effort - I don't think it will take a whole lotta HP for it to be fast .
    Two of the top engine builders in Tucson said the same thing about this worn out engine - just not so politely.

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    I think you should help others out and expose the crook. Help us not feel the pain this guy put you through.

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    well...if you got half a motor then shouldn't it have cost half the price...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WMorton View Post
    I think you should help others out and expose the crook. Help us not feel the pain this guy put you through.
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    Dude! Are those the parts you got from Jeremy Denny? I thought he was making it right?
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    yes they are from him, haven't heard from him in over a month...since everything went down, and when I said I was sending him the old stuff, he told me to trash it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jypense13 View Post
    yes they are from him, haven't heard from him in over a month...since everything went down, and when I said I was sending him the old stuff, he told me to trash it...
    This will be my only reply on this thread. After I post this, you can contact me directly. I ONLY feel the need to post since my name was called out. You contacted me through text (which I have) and told me you were unhappy with the push rods, rings, bearing and rod bolts. I offered SEVERAL times through text (which I have) to replace them and make it right. I also offered to undo the deal and give you your money back and told you that I didn't want you unhappy (also in texts). You proceeded several times to say that you didn't want to do that. After I contacted some people you knew, (Bryan Letterly aka Dominator) they told me that you failed to even tell them that I offered to do that! You said that you didn't want anything from me and NEVER called me back. When I got your text yesterday, it simply said "can I get your address to send the parts". I just said "throw them away". My offer still stands as it did to return the motor, or replace the parts.
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    And there you have it. Both sides of the story. We can let this one make it's way down the list now.
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