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    How or what is the best way to fix the hook or bow in the bottom of this boat. It is a 25' Hawaiian Jet boat. The trailer was damaged and the bunks are not level. I am fixing the trailer first by straightening and replacing the bunks. Any help would be appreciated.
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    Best way is to flip the boat upside down. Lots of work involved. You could leave it alone if it doesn't leak or have stress cracks that could turn problem areas

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    Add glass to fill that cavity. Pretty time consuming don't know if its worth. It may be fine the way it is being how big of a boat it is. I know some boats were made that way for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc18 View Post
    Add glass to fill that cavity. Pretty time consuming don't know if its worth. It may be fine the way it is being how big of a boat it is. I know some boats were made that way for a reason.
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    That boat was a splash of a splash of a splash it had the hook in the mold for a lot longer than your boat has set on its trailer. It is in there for a reason 24' boat with low horse power and a jet is going to need all the help it can get over and up don,t worry about it go and enjoy.

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    What he said ^^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleeagle View Post
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    That boat was a splash of a splash of a splash it had the hook in the mold for a lot longer than your boat has set on its trailer. It is in there for a reason 24' boat with low horse power and a jet is going to need all the help it can get over and up don,t worry about it go and enjoy.
    That hull was not a splash of a splash, the plug was tooled up in house when we were in the Huntington Beach shop. Can't remember the guys name that did the work, he was there for about 6 months and did two plugs, this one and another different one. He had one leg and his work space was next to ours in the glass shop. The plug and mold, the mold still exists at my buddies shop, had no hook built in.

    This boat as well as all the boats there, were built at almost warp speed. Shot one day, laid up (hand laminated) the next and then pulled from the mold the next. The hook was almost instantaneous because the part was not given a whole hell of a lot of time to cure. 9 boats a day at our peak but 6 was the norm.
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    9 hulls a day or 9 hull and caps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnf View Post
    9 hulls a day or 9 hull and caps?
    Yes 9 hulls and decks a day. Out of that 9 or 6 or whatever it might be that day only one was a big 25 or the 28 or a 24. The rest were 16 footers on up to 23.

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    did you work there when alex torrez worked there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetjunky View Post
    did you work there when alex torrez worked there?
    There was an Alex that worked on our side of the street but I don't remember his last name, I remember he didnt speak English and he didn't work there in the beginning of Hawaiian but by the time we were in the 2 shops in HB he was there til the end. He had a bum foot, like it was broken or something and it never healed right? I never knew what the problem but his job was to help pull the parts and then grind the edges, and any other offending slivers of glass, so we could bond the decks to the hulls. He had what was probably the worst, dirtiest job in the shop but he was a hustler and by that I mean a fantastic worker. He worked with with another guy named Art, again I don't remember his last name, who use to have Alex's job but was taping molds and also helping with pulling the parts. Art finally became a gel coater and Alex moved up the food chain too, I crossed paths with both of them briefly maybe 6 or 7 years later at Galaxie. We all had the same boss at Hawaiian (before that Tahiti) Gil Gaska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old rigger View Post
    That hull was not a splash of a splash, the plug was tooled up in house when we were in the Huntington Beach shop. Can't remember the guys name that did the work, he was there for about 6 months and did two plugs, this one and another different one. He had one leg and his work space was next to ours in the glass shop. The plug and mold, the mold still exists at my buddies shop, had no hook built in.

    This boat as well as all the boats there, were built at almost warp speed. Shot one day, laid up (hand laminated) the next and then pulled from the mold the next. The hook was almost instantaneous because the part was not given a whole hell of a lot of time to cure. 9 boats a day at our peak but 6 was the norm.
    The tooler must have been Al Ludwick the only one legged tooler I Know. I worked with Al a couple different times once at Anthony boats and again at Wriedt Boats. He did wood decks and built wood boats in his early years at one time or another I think he worked at Rayson Craft and Power Cat Boats. Al was a little on the tough side to work with (read) " Hard Headed German " and had the people skills of a Himmler. He was a better than average wood worker and did teach a certain smart ass kid a couple tricks about wood work and tooling.

    I was thinking the hull plug for this was the Lancer/Condor 24 which I was under the impression that General Marine " Ranger boats" ended up with and was also used by Omega ? and a couple others Galaxie ? and maybe Cheetah. I understand the deck was different but are you saying that Al built a wood plug hull or did he start with a existing hull. Splash was maybe not the best term to use but if its the hull I am thinking about I have seen a couple molds out there that had a pretty good hooks in them by design or by error. It was not uncommon to use hook to help bring the boats over and to help smooth out the ride and keep pumps loaded up on some boats. There were also a lot of molds made that just kept transferring plug errors to new models.

    With all that said my point was I really don,t think in this case removing the hook from it is going to make a heck of alot of difference for the amount of work it would take and had existed long before the trailer bunk became a problem. About every one of these boats I have seen have a large amount hook in the bottom.

    Great to hear from you again Old Rigger keep in touch
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubleeagle View Post
    The tooler must have been Al Ludwick the only one legged tooler I Know. I worked with Al a couple different times once at Anthony boats and again at Wriedt Boats. He did wood decks and built wood boats in his early years at one time or another I think he worked at Rayson Craft and Power Cat Boats. Al was a little on the tough side to work with (read) " Hard Headed German " and had the people skills of a Himmler. He was a better than average wood worker and did teach a certain smart ass kid a couple tricks about wood work and tooling.

    I was thinking the hull plug for this was the Lancer/Condor 24 which I was under the impression that General Marine " Ranger boats" ended up with and was also used by Omega ? and a couple others Galaxie ? and maybe Cheetah. I understand the deck was different but are you saying that Al built a wood plug hull or did he start with a existing hull. Splash was maybe not the best term to use but if its the hull I am thinking about I have seen a couple molds out there that had a pretty good hooks in them by design or by error. It was not uncommon to use hook to help bring the boats over and to help smooth out the ride and keep pumps loaded up on some boats. There were also a lot of molds made that just kept transferring plug errors to new models.

    With all that said my point was I really don,t think in this case removing the hook from it is going to make a heck of alot of difference for the amount of work it would take and had existed long before the trailer bunk became a problem. About every one of these boats I have seen have a large amount hook in the bottom.

    Great to hear from you again Old Rigger keep in touch
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    Had to be the same Al, I never saw another one legged tooler either.

    Yes, he tooled up the hull from scratch. Galaxie had the same hull and deck after Hawaiian went tits up so maybe they bought the mold? In fact I think Worth still had Fantasy boats during this time and hadn't even started Galaxy yet. I don't know how they ended up with it but like I said my friend still has the mold but I have no idea how HE ended up with it either, he may have spent time working for Worth now that I think about it. His name is Sal, owner for the last 30 years of Orange County boat repair.

    If Ludwick worked for Leger at Powercat then maybe thats where he and Schuster first crossed paths as Dick was the one that help them switch from wood to glass boats, that's what Legers son told me.

    I'm surprised you didn't mention SKV boats. Gene had a model that closely resembled the Hawaiian 25. Maybe Al tooled them both up, maybe one profile influenced the other, I have no idea but that's the most common rumor, that the Hawaiian was a splash of the SKV. They look similar, but aren't the same.
    We did several with twin berks ad twin BBC's too. Gas hogs!

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    Thanks for the info. I'll try it as is and see how it does. Going to replace the bowed bunks and see how it sits on the trailer. There are no stress cracks in the hull so I hope putting straight bunks under it will not cause any problems after sitting on the bowed ones for so long.

    Enjoy reading your posts by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old rigger View Post
    That hull was not a splash of a splash, the plug was tooled up in house when we were in the Huntington Beach shop. Can't remember the guys name that did the work, he was there for about 6 months and did two plugs, this one and another different one. He had one leg and his work space was next to ours in the glass shop. The plug and mold, the mold still exists at my buddies shop, had no hook built in.

    This boat as well as all the boats there, were built at almost warp speed. Shot one day, laid up (hand laminated) the next and then pulled from the mold the next. The hook was almost instantaneous because the part was not given a whole hell of a lot of time to cure. 9 boats a day at our peak but 6 was the norm.

    Do these stringers look like they did when this boat was built? Weird how the stringer where the engine mounts is separate from the rest of the floor. Sorry not the best pics.

    Thanks
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