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    On a "mission" (pondering) refitting my Project Miller with a 440 Mopar , anyone have any Chrysler/jet experience here? Got a block , heads and headers and a tunnel ram to start

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    The Mopar blocks stroke very nicely. With the extended block, they handle the latteral forces from stroking pretty well. The heads don't have quite the flow volume as some of the other brands but they work pretty efficiently if ported. Haven't gotten one in a boat that runs yet; but they will make power, they definately are sturdy enough to hold up, and finally anything you do will cost you almost double. It seems that nobody really runs them anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoc653 View Post
    and finally anything you do will cost you almost double. It seems that nobody really runs them anymore.
    I dunno about that. Aftermarket heads, stroker cranks, distributors, intakes, etc.... all seem to be the same price as BBC's and BBF's.

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    What are your goals with the engine would be a good place to start. What kind of numbers would you like to see? H.P., torque, rpm, price. What block, heads and tunnel ram do you have? That would be a good amount of info to start off with.
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    I THINK wsuwrhr is a mopar fan, recolection of things from across the boards over the years, but it is a faint memory, so I don't guarantee it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinLowriderSS View Post
    I THINK wsuwrhr is a mopar fan, recolection of things from across the boards over the years, but it is a faint memory, so I don't guarantee it.
    as I recall he's god some really nice mopar parts sitting on the shelf, but that was years ago.... He will be here shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Factory1 View Post
    What are your goals with the engine would be a good place to start. What kind of numbers would you like to see? H.P., torque, rpm, price. What block, heads and tunnel ram do you have? That would be a good amount of info to start off with.
    Long story short , a long time customer is sadly losing a battle with a serious illness and has been selling me parts off an Old Mopar powered boat he had (headers T'ram etc,oddly all stuff I once sold him ), We happen to have a "core" 69 440 (.055 over) taking up space in the shop . Now Son (Josh) teases me into this gig saying hey lets build that Mopar for the Miller ! I worked for Chrysler for several years as a Line Tech in the mid 70's so WTF ? might as well . Soooo the "Goal" is 400 hp +or- As I recall these motors made good power in the GTX and Road Runners etc with little cams and 9.5 to 1 compresion. Also I thought it would be a nice "departure from the norm" as everything we build is BBC, BBF and Olds never Mopar . As we work thru this ( now committed to the project) I'll be happy to build this thing on a "budjet' and if it will/should spin a PJX impeller around 5K. The 434 bbc stroker pushed this
    little hot rod 78.8 Just thought this would be fun and different, Found pistons and a set of rods today Summit ( found a standard crank in my FILs stash) Now for the "delima" Glenwood is temporarily out of production on the Mopar rear 4 pt mounts Tom

    * Block is a *69 440 heads are 88 cc for a 400cu , crank will be iron as the steel one is history, T'ram is an offy single top , current cam is "puny" (400 lift) Got a c'balnced dampner and flywheel PS FWIW so far parts prices have been relatively cheap

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    Cant wait to see it done Tom. I've always been a fan of Mopar cars and as is evident by the Pontiac in my boat I'm also a fan of "different"

    Not to thread jack but did you get a chance to look for those Rebel & Sleekcraft emblems?

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    Well your not setting the bar very high for yourself at 400hp and 5k rpm, a stock rebuild with a nice cam will get you there easily. Find out what head castings you have, let me know. Before you buy ANYTHING, check out 440 Source.com. I would not recommend some of their stuff for max effort racing engines, but everything they have is well up to the task you are looking for at unbeatable prices. Please ask me questions before you buy parts though, there is an item I would not run in any motor. Their heads are a great deal, in our world they would be considered a "Splash" of the Edelbrock heads, only they retain the factory straight plugs. At $899 for a complete bolt on set of aluminum heads it is hard to justify the price of rebuilding a stock set. Sorry to hear of your friends condition, F1~

    I have some parts as well you might be intersted in. I have a steel crank nice condition never been turned. Some cams, valves, springs, heads, headers, rods, other misc stuff. Im in San Jose, Ca, I think you aren't far away in Atascadero. All prices highly reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokinLowriderSS View Post
    I THINK wsuwrhr is a mopar fan, recolection of things from across the boards over the years, but it is a faint memory, so I don't guarantee it.
    You are correct he is. I tried selling him a Sheetmetal tunnel ram a while back, and I accidentally tweaked out on him, and I haven't seen much of him since. I think I scared him away. I said I was sorry .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factory1 View Post
    Well your not setting the bar very high for yourself
    Factory ,Its OK, I hurdle a very "high bar" continually working two business's 12 hrs a day ,6.5 days a week , this project is "comic relief" from a "winding down crazy busy season" ,always got more exciting stuff to fall back on .Pm me some contact info when you get time Tom

    Mohawk I gotcha covered on the Sleekcraft AND the REBEL(say Hell yeah!) emblems , same addy ? Tom

    Sloc I may take you up on the template action Thanks !

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    [QUOTE=jetboatperformance;854221]
    Quote Originally Posted by Factory1 View Post
    Well your not setting the bar very high for yourself QUOTE]

    Mohwk I gotcha covered on the Sleek craft AND the REBEL(say Hell yeah!) emblems , same addy ? Tom
    Sweetness. Sent you a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendellajet View Post
    as I recall he's god some really nice mopar parts sitting on the shelf, but that was years ago.... He will be here shortly.
    Thank you sir,

    I wouldn't miss this thread for the world.

    Let's see some pictures.

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    I have CNC machined all the parts you need to mount the mighty Mopar correctly in the boat with no guesswork.

    Front and rear motorplates, PTO flange, water entry/exit plates.

    I spent plenty of time with 440's in general and 440's in a boat as well. Let me know what I can help out with and I would be more than happy to.

    Brian
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