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    this class would be for all the classes that have less than five boats or three class re: flat,jets,hydros ive talked to a few guys they like the idea what do you think?

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    Just my personal opinion, but the Super Elimnator class is very successful, incorporates all boats, without the indexing. The PCE class of the IHBA proved itself to be a failure, because of all the side drama, indexing procedures and etc. SE is simple. Joe Shelfo Sr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony garrett View Post
    this class would be for all the classes that have less than five boats or three class re: flat,jets,hydros ive talked to a few guys they like the idea what do you think?
    BOOOOOOOO!!!JK Man that's about every pro class!! I wouldn't mind as long as they thru PUF into the mix!! Not sure how that would work though..
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    Shelfo is right. The njba's super eliminator class routinely has 20-35 boat fields and very tight racing.
    Pce seems to have issues withe racers sandbagging their class index for an unfair advantage
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone View Post
    Shelfo is right. The njba's super eliminator class routinely has 20-35 boat fields and very tight racing.
    Pce seems to have issues withe racers sandbagging their class index for an unfair advantage
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    their would have to be a new set of rules made up for one sat qualifing would go against your index that would stop most of the sandbagging se is a class for the guys that cant run the number in the brackets pce is a pro class for the guys that wanna run balls out and makes a place were if you dont have enough boat to support a class this is a place for them this is a class that would have to start from scatch and learn from the past

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    pce was a joke in ihba a big soap opera. My guess would be it will never happen in NJBA. Just run super e that's a very very competitive class!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony garrett View Post
    their would have to be a new set of rules made up for one sat qualifing would go against your index that would stop most of the sandbagging se is a class for the guys that cant run the number in the brackets pce is a pro class for the guys that wanna run balls out and makes a place were if you dont have enough boat to support a class this is a place for them this is a class that would have to start from scatch and learn from the past
    SE you can run balls out just dial that #. As far as guys running there that can run the # that's dead wrong! Guys run se because there's big money and you can go lots of rounds!

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    The big difference between PCE and NJBA's SE class is PCE isn't a "bracket" class, it's a performance class modeled after NHRA's Comp Eliminator. Apples and oranges in terms of racing format. PCE could be a good class IF it was the rules were properly implemented and indexes were based in reality. IHBA rules were seriously jacked in a lot of ways. The PGF index as fast at an open boat was allowed to run, effectively killing any chance for a PGF racer to be competitive in PCE.
    Sandbagging to preserve index is a lot like lifting to avoid breaking out in a bracket.. However, if one class has a rediculously soft index, someone running that class has a big advantage. When this happens in NHRA, a bunch of guys jump into the class, enjoy the advantage until they lose enough index to minimize the advantage.
    The flip side is also true where some bad ass can come in for a race or 2 and bombs the index, and kills a bunch of formerly competitive combos. Imagine CF with an index of around 7.80, Joey and Tony show up, run a bunch of 7.20's and the class index goes to 7.50. You have a boat that runs 7.60's, you go from qualifying at 2 tenths under to a tenth over. You better be willing to go spend the $$ to pick your combo up or your uncompetivive.
    In NHRA, Comp is a serious bad ass class and you gotta have TONS of $$ and KNOW your chit to be competitive. Unless there's a big infusion of boats and someone overseeing the class that understands it, it seems unlikely PCE has much of a chance of being a really competitive class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    The big difference between PCE and NJBA's SE class is PCE isn't a "bracket" class, it's a performance class modeled after NHRA's Comp Eliminator. Apples and oranges in terms of racing format. PCE could be a good class IF it was the rules were properly implemented and indexes were based in reality. IHBA rules were seriously jacked in a lot of ways. The PGF index as fast at an open boat was allowed to run, effectively killing any chance for a PGF racer to be competitive in PCE.
    Sandbagging to preserve index is a lot like lifting to avoid breaking out in a bracket.. However, if one class has a rediculously soft index, someone running that class has a big advantage. When this happens in NHRA, a bunch of guys jump into the class, enjoy the advantage until they lose enough index to minimize the advantage.
    The flip side is also true where some bad ass can come in for a race or 2 and bombs the index, and kills a bunch of formerly competitive combos. Imagine CF with an index of around 7.80, Joey and Tony show up, run a bunch of 7.20's and the class index goes to 7.50. You have a boat that runs 7.60's, you go from qualifying at 2 tenths under to a tenth over. You better be willing to go spend the $$ to pick your combo up or your uncompetivive.
    In NHRA, Comp is a serious bad ass class and you gotta have TONS of $$ and KNOW your chit to be competitive. Unless there's a big infusion of boats and someone overseeing the class that understands it, it seems unlikely PCE has much of a chance of being a really competitive class.
    thanks well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Here Comes Whitey View Post
    pce was a joke in ihba a big soap opera. My guess would be it will never happen in NJBA. Just run super e that's a very very competitive class!!
    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    The big difference between PCE and NJBA's SE class is PCE isn't a "bracket" class, it's a performance class modeled after NHRA's Comp Eliminator. Apples and oranges in terms of racing format. PCE could be a good class IF it was the rules were properly implemented and indexes were based in reality. IHBA rules were seriously jacked in a lot of ways. The PGF index as fast at an open boat was allowed to run, effectively killing any chance for a PGF racer to be competitive in PCE.
    Sandbagging to preserve index is a lot like lifting to avoid breaking out in a bracket.. However, if one class has a rediculously soft index, someone running that class has a big advantage. When this happens in NHRA, a bunch of guys jump into the class, enjoy the advantage until they lose enough index to minimize the advantage.
    The flip side is also true where some bad ass can come in for a race or 2 and bombs the index, and kills a bunch of formerly competitive combos. Imagine CF with an index of around 7.80, Joey and Tony show up, run a bunch of 7.20's and the class index goes to 7.50. You have a boat that runs 7.60's, you go from qualifying at 2 tenths under to a tenth over. You better be willing to go spend the $$ to pick your combo up or your uncompetivive.
    In NHRA, Comp is a serious bad ass class and you gotta have TONS of $$ and KNOW your chit to be competitive. Unless there's a big infusion of boats and someone overseeing the class that understands it, it seems unlikely PCE has much of a chance of being a really competitive class.
    I completely agree with both of guys, but my question is how do you deal with 2, 3 and even 4 boats in multiple classes? Anything under 8 boats, runner up doesn't get any money and what money 1st place gets is pretty laughable. I guess it is better than a sharp stick in the eye though!!! I know we aren't out here to make money but it does help!!!! I guess it's also nice to come into an event with the worse case scenario being #2 qualifier and runner up, people that are at home don't know any different!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Here Comes Whitey View Post
    pce was a joke in ihba a big soap opera. My guess would be it will never happen in NJBA. Just run super e that's a very very competitive class!!
    PCE will be one of the Pro classes in the Lucas Oil Series.IHBA also had Dial-in classes like SE,they called it the Gambler and the "Last Chance".
    All the NJBA Catagory classes that have less than 4 or 5 boats would fit into PCE,like Mod Jet,Comp Jet,Pro Gas Jet,Blown Gas Jet,Ski Jet as a example.More boats and a bigger purse.

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    I guess it's also nice to come into an event with the worse case scenario being #2 qualifier and runner up, people that are at home don't know any different!!!!

    that's good stuff there Vince!!!

    Yeah, that would really screw up those guys in not being able to have a 1 round sunday instead of actually having to race 4-5 rounds. What is that crybaby Lip$hitski going to do??? no more #1 qualifer, idle down the track at 79mph and take home a trophy to not bump his index, i say BOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for him. i bet he stays at home just to see what happens and then he'll complain about the rules and how it's not fair for him. i say get rid of all those small boat count classes and put them in 1 like the gambler or whatever. if there is not a min. of 8 boats in a class, it's not a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    The big difference between PCE and NJBA's SE class is PCE isn't a "bracket" class, it's a performance class modeled after NHRA's Comp Eliminator. Apples and oranges in terms of racing format. PCE could be a good class IF it was the rules were properly implemented and indexes were based in reality. IHBA rules were seriously jacked in a lot of ways. The PGF index as fast at an open boat was allowed to run, effectively killing any chance for a PGF racer to be competitive in PCE.
    Sandbagging to preserve index is a lot like lifting to avoid breaking out in a bracket.. However, if one class has a rediculously soft index, someone running that class has a big advantage. When this happens in NHRA, a bunch of guys jump into the class, enjoy the advantage until they lose enough index to minimize the advantage.
    The flip side is also true where some bad ass can come in for a race or 2 and bombs the index, and kills a bunch of formerly competitive combos. Imagine CF with an index of around 7.80, Joey and Tony show up, run a bunch of 7.20's and the class index goes to 7.50. You have a boat that runs 7.60's, you go from qualifying at 2 tenths under to a tenth over. You better be willing to go spend the $$ to pick your combo up or your uncompetivive.
    In NHRA, Comp is a serious bad ass class and you gotta have TONS of $$ and KNOW your chit to be competitive. Unless there's a big infusion of boats and someone overseeing the class that understands it, it seems unlikely PCE has much of a chance of being a really competitive class.
    pretty much all right on david. the only thing you didn't mention is that if that 7.60 cf has to race against the bling deal, it's gonna get it's ass kicked no matter whether it's in pce or not. pce was a great class once upon a time, but it went out the window.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone
    Pce seems to have issues withe racers sandbagging their class index for an unfair advantage on raceday.
    there are ways that sandbagging the index could and should be dealt with. but if it's run correctly, there's no "unfair" advantage, any more than if you raced morgan in ubfj. the guys that are the class of the 2 or 3 boat fields are still going to be the class of the field, even if you put all of them in one pce field.


    Quote Originally Posted by triple 0 racchi

    I guess it's also nice to come into an event with the worse case scenario being #2 qualifier and runner up, people that are at home don't know any different!!!!

    that's good stuff there Vince!!!


    Yeah, that would really screw up those guys in not being able to have a 1 round sunday instead of actually having to race 4-5 rounds.
    don't know if it's good stuff, or bad.. it just is what it is. the fact is that there were 6 classes at the nationals with 3 boats or less, and one with 4. you'd -think maybe- that some of the people running those deals would like to see some kind of thing put together where they could actually run for purses. on the other hand, maybe not. if anyone chose to try it, pce would have to be managed. sdba has been getting a good turnout in their pce deal for the past couple years...


    Quote Originally Posted by triple 0 racchi
    What is that crybaby Lip$hitski going to do??? no more #1 qualifer, idle down the track at 79mph and take home a trophy to not bump his index, i say BOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for him. i bet he stays at home just to see what happens and then he'll complain about the rules and how it's not fair for him. i say get rid of all those small boat count classes and put them in 1 like the gambler or whatever. if there is not a min. of 8 boats in a class, it's not a class.
    actually, he wasn't #1 qualifyer at a couple races this year. with no competition at san diego, he tried to jump into PE, but was told to stay in pce and make his lap. then, he tried to find somebody else to run pce, talked to 'em about it for an hour (i know because i was standing there, right next to "the guy" (just sayin...)). the person was all set to do it, then was told the next morning by one of his crew not to, so he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David 519 View Post
    The big difference between PCE and NJBA's SE class is PCE isn't a "bracket" class, it's a performance class modeled after NHRA's Comp Eliminator. Apples and oranges in terms of racing format. PCE could be a good class IF it was the rules were properly implemented and indexes were based in reality. IHBA rules were seriously jacked in a lot of ways. The PGF index as fast at an open boat was allowed to run, effectively killing any chance for a PGF racer to be competitive in PCE.
    Sandbagging to preserve index is a lot like lifting to avoid breaking out in a bracket.. However, if one class has a rediculously soft index, someone running that class has a big advantage. When this happens in NHRA, a bunch of guys jump into the class, enjoy the advantage until they lose enough index to minimize the advantage.
    The flip side is also true where some bad ass can come in for a race or 2 and bombs the index, and kills a bunch of formerly competitive combos. Imagine CF with an index of around 7.80, Joey and Tony show up, run a bunch of 7.20's and the class index goes to 7.50. You have a boat that runs 7.60's, you go from qualifying at 2 tenths under to a tenth over. You better be willing to go spend the $$ to pick your combo up or your uncompetivive.
    In NHRA, Comp is a serious bad ass class and you gotta have TONS of $$ and KNOW your chit to be competitive. Unless there's a big infusion of boats and someone overseeing the class that understands it, it seems unlikely PCE has much of a chance of being a really competitive class.
    I wouldnt use that 7.20 as an example in comp flat.We were cheating with a 500 inch motor.Thats what i have been told anyway.
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