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    Default unwrapping the boat for spring and she wont start.. need some ideas

    So i finally got around to unwrapping the boat from winter and what do you know. .she wont start.. I should have figured on that..so here is whats going on..


    Bilge was left on all winter and battery was dead. I took it to autozone and had the battery charged. battery took a charge and shows good to go..

    Get back home and when i hit the ignition i get one click..

    So i go looking further and my positive battery cable has some exessive wear on it from being to close the pipes... So i go back to the auto parts store and get a new and longer battery cable so i can route it away from the pipes. I also brish the terminals and reseat both pos and neg to insure a good solid connection. Still only one click..

    I jumped the starter wire to a hot wire on the bus to try and see if she would start that way and still just one click.. The one click is pretty strong. it sounds like its trying to engage and just wont move like its rusted shut or stuck...

    I did try to give the starter some love taps with a hammer... Any other basic thoughts before i yank this starter from the boat and have it tested.. yanking the starter is a real PITA but i got to do what i got to do.

    Thanks!
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    the ensueing fire would likely be extinguished by the sinking however

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    How sure are you on the batt? I had a batt that would hold a charge. I put a mm on it with a load on the battery and it would drop to around 10 or so. Test the battery with a load on it.
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    Im not sure how i would test with a load. Autozone used some testing device to put a load on the battery. I assume thats what you mean... Their device could allways be faulty. i guess having someone else check it would not hurt..

    I assume thats what you mean by testing with load? Battery is a blue top Optima and is less than one year old. if it went Tango Uniform then thats a pretty easy fix.




    Edit: Jusyt to add. I assume they tested it but all i know for certain is they charged it. Assumtion is the mother of all foul ups so a quick trip to the auto store may be in order.
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    If they tested it with a load it's probably good to go. But like you said there eqt doesn't always work. Put a Multi meter on the battery and try to turn it over that will put a load on the battery. If the battery shows 12 with a load on it it's good to go
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    I took it to back to them and a second auto parts store and had both places test it. They say the battery is 100 AOK..

    Any other thoughts before i turn my self into a monkey to get that damn starter out?
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    Prob just a bad starter. Sounds like the gear is kicking out but not spinning?

    To change my starter I have to lift the motor out. No room between pan and stringers. Anything else on your todo list? Good time to change oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ka0tyk View Post
    Prob just a bad starter. Sounds like the gear is kicking out but not spinning?

    To change my starter I have to lift the motor out. No room between pan and stringers. Anything else on your todo list? Good time to change oil?

    I can get it out with out removing the motor its just a PITA... I just changed the oil and flushed all the antifreeze out of the motor.. so i was hoping charging the bat was the last thing i had to do beyond greesing the shaft and pump.

    Oh well.
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    it the boat sits outside, check the electrical connections to make sure they have good contact especially the ground at the block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cas View Post
    it the boat sits outside, check the electrical connections to make sure they have good contact especially the ground at the block.

    I do not have a garage so she lives outside under a cover.. I did not think to pull that end of the ground.. Ill pull that and clean up the connections.

    Thanks for the idea.
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    Before you buy anything else I'd try and turn the crank with a ratchet. You've got power to the starter....now you've just gotta determine whether the starter won't spin or the engine won't spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbhsbz View Post
    Before you buy anything else I'd try and turn the crank with a ratchet. You've got power to the starter....now you've just gotta determine whether the starter won't spin or the engine won't spin.
    Thats a valid thought. However i would hear the ping of the flywheel if it was making contact at all and that is not the case.. I will try it though.. never hurts to make sure the engine spins...
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    Get one of those remote switches
    Used for turning over the engine
    When adjusting valves
    Connect it from the armature to the positive Battery lead

    It should spin the starter if not
    You need a new starter


    Sounds like the moisture got to the solenoid


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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw View Post
    Get one of those remote switches
    Used for turning over the engine
    When adjusting valves
    Connect it from the armature to the positive Battery lead

    It should spin the starter if not
    You need a new starter


    Sounds like the moisture got to the solenoid


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    I believe by jumping the starter wire to a hot wireon the bus thats exactly what i was doing. Just doing it with out a switch.. Then again maybe i dont understand what you are suggesting... Thanks for the input..
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    what i meant was jump the two terminals on the back of the starter, this will bypass the solenoid, it should spin the starter motor,

    jump across the large terminal to the one shown at the bottom in this pic




    when its working correctly, the solenoid connects these two and engages the bendix, by bypassing it (for testing only) will tell us if the starter motor is good , maybe the solenoid is corroded from setting all winter.
    lots of times spinning the motor will knock loose the corrosion on the solenoid.
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